Smartphone sales down 22 percent in Q2, the worst performance in a decade::North American sales are bad for everyone, except, miraculously, Google.
Blame greedflation. Phones should be cheaper now, not thousands of dollars.
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I told everyone that once contracts for cell phones were replaced with payment plans, companies would start gouging their customers with higher phone prices because the customers could now “afford” it.
Greedy ain’t the right word imo.
I don’t know why people still use the big carriers. Subsiding the phones and getting an upgrade every 2 years was the reason to use them. Now they just add the cost of the phone to your bill.
The brilliant thing is they’ve gone from “We’ll buy the phone, but there’s a $200 ETF” to “we won’t buy the phone, and there’s no ETF. But now if you cancel you owe us $1,000.”
If you think you’re not using “the big carriers” in the US I’ve got news for you: you are using the big carriers. They are all either owned or leasing bandwidth from the big carriers. It’s nothing more than an illusion of choice.
If they are cheaper or different in any meaningfully way, it’s still worth it. Not sure if would be considered an illusion of choice or not, unless you want to boycott them of course. Not American though so not sure how different they are.
But for example I am on a cheaper carrier owned for the most common carrier here in Spain which is quite expensive. And it’s cheap as fuck compared with the main one and unless you want their tv deal it has 99% of the same services for a fraction of the costs.
I’m using their towers, but paying 1/3rd the price. My point is why pay the premiumto use them directly if they took away the only advantage of doing so.
Exactly what I was coming to write. Who could have thought that rising notably the prices would have led to less sales?
You can still buy a Moto G for like $200 that is better than an old high-end phone in every way and runs Android like a champ. Only flaw is short support lifespan.
Phones is basically cheaper now. Features that only found on high end now on low end. SD 4 is insanely good (4g2 is an underclock 730). Very few reason to shell out 1000$+ for phones now
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But infinite growth!
The policy of a cancer cell
I still have a hard time comprehending that the current economic mess has just collectively refused to understand/plan/account for the concept of market saturation.
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If you’re upgrading your device every single time a new device comes along, you’re just chasing clout and status. They rarely, if ever, have significant performance upgrades or new features that make sense in upgrading when your current device is perfectly fine.
Phones also aren’t special anymore. Like the days where phones were flashy and people needed the best/newest phones are gone. Everyone knows everyone has a phone, nobody cares what phone it is. It reminds me of like 2004-2008 when laptops were a big deal and then everyone had one and it became a tool and people stopped caring what you had.
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To be fair the vast majority of people don’t do that and just buy a new phone after a few years when theirs is becoming too old, has issues or lacks useful features
Most people upgrade when their battery is shot.
Planned Obsolescence / E-Waste Entropy seems to have been the main reason I upgraded to a new phone for like the last three phones I’ve owned. Eventually the phone just devours all the processing power and makes it feel bad to use, or the battery stops charging or depletes in hours even while idle.
That’s why I miss the days when you could just take the old battery out and put a new one in.
Hopefully EU legislation should bring that back in the coming years, I believe they’re working on such law at the moment
already enacted, vote went through in July. However the “come to force” of the earliest part of the regulation is 2025 and the replaceable battery mandate come to force date is 2027. However I would assume stuff starts going with replaceable battery 2025-2026, since by 2027 it’s illegal to not have that for on sale item. So one would transition year or two early to have ones retail and supply chains empty of the old non-replaceable stuff to avoid having unsold stock or get hit with punishment for being caught selling non regulation items*. So you want the replaceable battery products designed and in production before 2027.
Also one key I would point out, that is often left out. It doesn’t only cover phones. It covers pretty much all battery powered electronics. SO lots of those other small electronic gadget with built in Li-ions will start sprouting battery covers or possibly moving back to their old power of choice, banks of AAs. Since those are inherently replaceable. Well plus non-recycleables aren’t covered by the regulation. However also the maker can argue their green credibility with “well customer can put rechargeable AAs in it. Then it’s a replaceable battery product.”
* Well in reality one’s retail partners would refuse to accept the stuff for sale, since upon it being on sale at their shelf it’s now their ass on the firing line by regulators.
This. The sealed phone is the #1 reason why people are getting new phones and contributing to the eco waste.
It should have never been allowed to happen. I promise you there is a way to make a phone with a removable back waterproof. They just don’t make it because they want you to replace the phone every two years.
They also haven’t rushed to make longer lasting batteries, say 4 years, for the same reason.
You don’t even need a hardware change to make batteries last long, capping charging at 80% and slowing the fast-charging will do that, both of which can be done in OS software. They just need a “battery protection mode” option for people who keep their phones plugged in a lot.
I just buy refurbished or “New-Old-Stock” 2-year-old flagship phones off ebay for $100 or so bucks every other year.
In fact I think smart phones peaked 3 or 4 years ago and we’re going downhill now. The manufacturers remove features that people like in favor of objectively worse ones (lots of people loved having the fingerprint reader on the back, now it’s either gone entirely or under the screen for some stupid reason?, then of course headphone jacks are going extinct).
When is the last time a smart phone had a major improvement over it’s predecessor? And I mean like, “This one didn’t have a camera, this one does.” Especially since they’re converging on the same 5.7" black rectangle.
I like the finger print reader under the screen
it’s amazing that in capitalism a company has to always show numbers rising like there is no physical upper boundary. The most logical and efficient economic model
It drives me insane how many people turn a blind eye to the funny numbers needing to always go up. Every “investor” will tell me how the market has never not recovered; how I’m the fool and surely not them for trusting in the system.
I hate that my retirement depends on a 401k, or money that constantly depreciates.
Constant growth at all costs. In the short term at least. Whether that works out in the long run or not…
Have they considered releasing another hard to hold glass slab exactly like the previous one?
Good. We should be using our phones for longer.
They doubled the price while removing core features like headphone jacks and microSD.
The people who bought phones as a status symbol ran out of money and the people who are advanced users are sticking with their old phones that are simply better until planned obsolescence forces them to buy another older model.
I haven’t felt the headphone jack removal as much as I thought I would, though I’ve had a few sets of Bluetooth headphones for traveling since about 2014 or so
Phone plateaued 5 years ago for the average user.
I have a one plus 6. I’m on it for hours everyday. Reading. Browsing. Listening. No gaming. Lots of pictures.
My online data ran out long before my phone data - for pictures.
Phone runs fast. No more updates so nothing changes on me anymore.
I have zero reason to update. Would I like a better camera? Sure. But not for 1200$ I don’t.
Could my battery last longer? Yeah. Sure. But I can replace it if I want for 20-40$
My next phone will probably be a refurbished last Gen phone. Nothing more then 400 I imagine.
I upgraded from a 7 to a 14 pro and while it doesn’t hang up on the newer OS as much (a problem the 7 developed over its lifetime), it’s not really an appreciably better experience overall. The camera is nicer.
On the 7 Pro, stuck on the oneplus navigation gestures, pop up front facing cam. Fully working phone, still no other phone to replace it when it comes to having a screen without a bump. And I can get a free phone through work, but there isn’t one I want yet…
I switched from the 7 pro to 10 pro just to double my storage and have a better camera. For actual use as a phone, there wasn’t a need to upgrade whatsoever.
Plus you can probably run stock Android on the op6 if you wanted to run Android 13
Good. They should never have been that high anyways
Waiting on replacement batteries to come back. Also 1k is a no way from me.
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The problem with the Fairphone,beside the price point, is the fact that it is not state-of-the-art now and that will be annoying in the future. The mediocre Battery life and the decision not to include wireless charging is one of these points, the camera,etc. as well.
I really looked forward to the FP5 but decided against it for these reasons.
Would that really help? I remember that each brand had their own custom battery sizes, and it would only sell the remaining stock once the phone was no longer on the store shelf. I only know Nokia had some standard form factor for batteries.
Batteries were phone specific but it wasn’t a big problem to find them. I bought several for my Note 3 and it allowed me to use the phone for a long time.
You might like the XCover series then, they still got those
Every major company releases the same phone year after year and the only significant change is the price. I don’t mind using the same phone for few years.
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Honestly… most people probably would benefit from a phone as powerful as a laptop. Imagine I could carry my laptop in my pocket and all I need to turn it into an ergonomical computer would be to pop it into a docking station. I would love that. I barely use a computer outside of my work computer, to the point where it’s barely worth owning one. I do, for some random fringe cases, but it gets used once a week…
I would love a laptop powerful phone with docking capabilities. Just have it down regulate to normal phone needs, until it’s docked.
You can even make the phone thicker if you want, if it’s going to be that useful, I don’t care about a little extra weight in my pocket.
Most Android phones can already do this with a cheap USB-C hub as long as they support video out. Samsung phones have DEX, which even gives you a desktop interface, but it can be disabled if your apps have issues with it.
Wow thanks! I just saw DEX in the hidden option menus and wondered what it even did. That’s really cool.
Does it just launch a bigger version of your phone, or is it like a separate OS where you can have multiple windows doing different things simultaneously? The Samsung marketing materials mostly seem to talk about being able to use your phone and the other screen separately. But it doesn’t really go into detail what you can do on the other screen.
like desktop PCs
like DVD players?
no innovation, no need for a new device
apple seems to have quit innovating and google is just a fat fuck that is so lazy their core product search has gotten shit.
nokia nokia lol
Partly because everybody’s finances are stretched pretty thin, but also partly because phones got Good Enough like 6 years ago and so at this point you basically replace one when it breaks and replacement cost exceeds repair costs unless you’re an enthusiast who demands the latest and greatest… which is why the lucrously short support window for security patches on most Android devices is obscene. I know the technical reasons for them, but they’re still unacceptable.
Well… do we all need to change our perfectly fine, advanced and fast pocket computer every year just to have always the latest -> IMO No.
Good for the environment that it’s a bad business year.
finally some positive news.
