Time for Slovakia and Hungary to GTFO EU and go join Russia if they like it so much.
My country (Slovakia) does not want that shit. We have a not even a majority of removed who voted for this mafioso bastard. The inteligent part of our population is protesting on mass in every major city currently, stopping every anti democratic action this piece of shit tries to do.
What the fuck else are we supposed to do?
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Hey, PS was the obvious choice for anyone with a working brain, but I guess a lot of my country lacks that
As EU continues to implode economically, you might get what you’re asking. It’s quite likely that countries like Hungary and Slovakia will just exist the EU and enter BRICS. The worse European economy gets the more countries will do the same.
I’m not even going to read the article; Ukraine is no where near being able to join NATO anyways.
Hungary and Turkey have shown that just signing off on NATO membership for the sake of your own people and country’s safety is a dumb idea; why do that when you can block it and get concessions of some kind out of it. Reward bad behavior and all that.
If Ukraine ‘wins’ the war, has peace, and meets requirements for joining NATO, we can look at the idea then, but until then, there is just no way Ukraine is going to join NATO anyways. Even if we expedited all the pre-work for that time, and the time came, several countries are going to block it.
Slovakia does not consider Ukraine to be an independent country anymore.
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When Ukraine gets it’s military equipment, intelligence, diplomatic and economic support to carry on the war I wouldn’t call it independent either. It’s a US/NATO Proxy
No country with allies is independent anymore, 99.9% of the world in shambles.
Of course that depends on your definition on “independence”. I would call the US and China independent in their foreign policy. Not Ukraine though
This is the price the EU has to pay for having wanted to expand to the East without verifying that the annexed countries were meeting requirements or were mature enough democracies. And the price to pay is immobilism today (in a situation that would rather require action) and doom tomorrow.
But, since we are on Lemmy where the average user goes like “Europeans are ex-colonialist capitalist exploiters and need to be eaten alive”, in the end I think the situation is going towards the better for humanity.
I mean, EU expansion was arguably too quick, but as a western European I’m really not going to lecture eastern europe on democracy.
Off the top of my head: Wilders and Baudet; De Winter; AfD; Le Pen’s party loans being bought up by a Russian company with ties to the defense industry; Salvini, Meloni, Berlusconi, the Mafia and bungabunga; Farage, Johnson, Cambridge analytica, Russian press barons and Londongrad; the Denmark Democrats, the Sweden Democrats; Spain’s Francoist history, seperatism, apologists, and Vox; an Austrian foreign minister dancing with Putin at her wedding; the former German chancellor Schroeder’s ties to Russian energy companies, respected experts who turn out to be on Putin’s payroll, Ostalgie and AfD, Merkel and Dieselgate; Cyprus, Russians buying passports, Russian owned bank accounts; Malta and murdered journalists; etc. etc. etc.
Slovakia literary met the standards of democracy, what the fuck are you talking about? Its all thanks to democracy that populist mafioso bastard Fico won in the first place. Stupid old dumbfucks voted for him.
Do you think the young population voted for him? Some are stupid or controlled by their parents, sure, so they did. But the majority of people with working brains voted for PS (Progressive Slovakia) who would have brought hope to this country.
You call small eastern european countries “not mature enough” yet super mature democracies still vote fascists into government. I wonder why that is.
how much did they lose by + can they win next election
681,017 vs 533,136; 22.94% vs 17.9% Turnout was 68.51%.
The second best party for this country got 187,645 votes which is 6.32%
They lost by much less than last time, which is a good but the fact so many people voted for a mafioso who killed a journalist (and his pregnant wife) who was looking into the crimes of him and his acomplices is crazy. His voters swallowed the anti-gay, anti-EU pill whole, and it shows, as they are impossible to talk to.
Can they win the next election? I don’t know. As far as I know, a massive amount of people are too far gone to change. They are too deep into propaganda to see that the people they idolize hurt them more than the people they hate irrationally. All they care about is the fact that the people they hate are getting hurt, I guess. Or they are jusy deeply stupid.
Many young people left when SMER won, many moved out, many are planning to. But with recent anti democratic actions (trying to gain as much power as possible), many of these people started protesting again, just like we did when Fico got deposed.
I don’t know. All i do is protest, use my voice, use my wallet and make sure they know that we wont let them take over our country. We wont let Fico do what Orban did to Hungary.
Edit: forgot to source the election data. Wikipedia is great for elections.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Slovak_parliamentary_election
Europeans are ex-colonialist capitalist exploiters and need to be eaten alive
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Surely only immature democracies could ever make such a wrong headed decision as choosing to support Russia’s position. Mature democracies, who have spent centuries developing their ability to think critically through the creation of race science, eugenics, colonialism, and most importantly that sticky wicket known as neocolonialism, only these democracies who have struggled with such difficult thinking topics could ever come to the correct conclusion, which is that a nuclear armed transnational military without democratic accountability should be allowed to occupy the border across which 2 of those mature European democracies invaded Russia and killed millions.
The EU expanding to the Eastern countries was an extremely beneficial thing for Western countries to do. Since Eastern Europe became part of the single market and westerners don’t have to pay tariffs for stuff produced there, EEu has become the China of Europe. They have become the cheap, efficient factories for Europe, without which the Eu would be incomparably less competitive globally against Asia and the US. European industry and economy is having difficulties, as it is. Without EEu, it would be dead.
But is it causing immobilism in turn, like you stated? No. The real cause of immobilism is the archaic laws and systems of the EU itself. It is impossible to control/gouvern such a large and diverse society, with hundreds of millions of people and dozens of countries, while needing UNANIMUOUS decisionmaking. By giving every country veto power, the EU is begging for itself to be immobilised on any major issue. Yes, a few EEuropean leaders are baught and paid for by Putin or just straight up fascists (the previous Polish gouvernment, now Fico in SK, Orban in Hungary), and they have the power to block EU actions. But among this many people, nations and countries, there are always going to be renitents going against the tide. The point is: the EU needs to reform its structures and decision making processes if it wants to keep functioning and being able to hold its own against the competition and straight up attacks (economical, military or otherwise) from Asia or even the US.
‘Annexed’ countries?
I didn’t remember the correct English word, but the meaning was clear. Anyway my comment only applies to the country entering the EU, about which Fico was more lukewarm than about NATO membership.
Annexed? Are you insane?
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