• HubertManne@kbin.social
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    You know. I would try to fight this as a statement if we did not put in our constitution that slavery is fine for prisoners.

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      To me this meme comes across as fascist , rascist and prejudiced.

      You have become 200%, what you supposedly hate so much.

      " Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster… for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."

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          No he’s saying making a captain planet meme about a country being shitty makes you a fascist. Because that makes sense

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            But don’t you see, if you complain about a right wing police state that has the highest prison population per capita on the planet and dominates half the planet with its overwhelming militarism, you’re the real fascist.

            Fascism is when conservatives are made uncomfortable about ugly statistics, btw

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                Well let’s tie onto the “America isn’t that much of a police state” argument so we can one day get to mega shithole levels of police state

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          Lol what? You talking about the bong video you’re replying

          Of course not. That’s just actually a funny bong video. Lol. I reacted to the meme

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          No, no… Wait… He has a point.

          Little did I know that ripping a bong hit was the same as staring into the abyss. The fascism of it all… I’ve been such a fool.

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        Authoritarianism leftists are tankies. To be fair they are pretty much the same as authoritarianism rightists. They both want to abolish liberalism before they duke it out over economic models.

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          You are right about the definition of tankies. People forget that views can be shared by varied groups. Pretty much liberals and to their left would agree with this message.

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            ? Liberalism is an updown issue not a left right issue? You can be economically right and be a liberal…

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              I struggled to understand at first. You are talking in terms from the messed up 2 axis political compass thing? Ideologies have positions in simplified lists and axis, but you have to be careful of oversimplifying them. That system to me is propaganda to deligitimise groups like my own(anarcho-pacifist). The opposite of totalitarianism is anarchism. Libertarianism got co-opted, it used to be anarchism and is now the totalitarianism of capitalism with the smallest government.

              Liberals if you want to put it that way, are pro-capitalist, relatively socially progressive. I think the standard left/right thing messes up the tankie position, which makes this quadrant thing even more awkward.

              Sorry for the messy answer. Feeling a bit tired and wanted to answer you

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                I think you captured what I was saying pretty well. On a 4 axis model up is totalitarian, down is anarchism, left is economic left and right is economic right. And I agree it’s over simplified still but I hate looking at the world as just left and right since it leads to the big bad.

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                  I think that system is great for helping people to think more and discuss more about it, but calling the down axis in the common political compass Libertarianism, which now means something else is the part that bothers me.

                  To an anarchist, the standard left/right axis is really status quo(authoritarianism). When you merge both axis into what I just described you see it fits in many ways scarily cleanly, and the other things don’t really matter as much, but are still important(economic: capitalism vs socialism). In other words tankies and fascists score high right wing, and liberals are more progressive etc. I think tankies are just socialists co-opted by oligarchs the same way that Hitler co-opted a bunch of socialists.

                  Politics is confusing, and our oligarchs intentionally make it more-so.

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      That’s…capitalism. In a profit-seeking society, there’s no greater profit than taking control of the society’s government. There’s no such thing as “crony capitalism” if that is what you are referring to. It’s all a part of the game. Any sufficiently powerful company will eventually attempt to manipulate the law and regulations for their own gain.

      The Soviet Union is basically what it would look like if a single corporation managed to completely take over society and push out all competition. That’s why some people argue that it was a type of society known as “state capitalist”, instead of communist, since they never actually did away with money, class, or hierarchy.

      Another good example would be “Buy-N-Large” from the movie “Wall-E”, although from reading the backstory on them, it seems like a more benevolent entity than we would expect from such a monopoly. Faced with declining profits from a failing economy and environment due to their grip on it, they implemented a system of universal income so that they could continue to have customers. They slowly became the world government and effectively operated as one.

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    Obviously those things (except capitalism and some wars) are bad, but literally every country has a history of essentially the same thing.

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      Late stage capitalism is bad, we don’t have a better system really, so on that issue, I say we just reset the whole thing. Capitalism reboot.