• Zachariah@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    I’m not even convinced it’s even real leftists posting this stuff. It often seems like astroturfing. Not only would fake leftists possibly sway undecided voters, but they also tarnish any positivity the left deserves. Win-win for the right.

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      I’d like to think you’re right.

      But I have heard borderline stuff like this in real life from people whom I know are solid progressives. (Admittedly, these are folks on my soccer team who are almost 2 decades younger than me. I can’t imagine what ending their teens during a pandemic was like so I kind of expect their politics to be wildly different.)

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        “Borderline” is entirely different. Voting for Harris while being salty about it is a perfectly reasonable thing real progressives should do, and it’s exactly the opposite of what these astroturf third-party propagandists are calling for even if the (alleged) sentiment is adjacent. That “border” is a knife edge and the difference between a genuine progressive and a[n effectively] pro-Trump useful idiot comes down to which side of it they fall off.

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          7 days ago

          Konnichiwa.

          I understand you are very concerned about people voting 3rd party. Considering our broken First Past The Post voting system, I get it.

          Did you know that alternative voting systems could alleviate all your worries about people who wish to vote outside the two party system? People could be free to vote how they wish, safe in the knowledge that their vote would still count against the Republicans.

          How we vote us controlled at the state level, which means we can pass this much needed reform without federal intervention. Actually, some states have already passed legislation doing away with First-past-the-post voting, and even more are in the process of passing it! Exciting times no?

          So, in conclusion, I hope you stop by my ask lemmy Post to discuss your post election commitment to replace FPTP voting in your state.

          If achieved, you wouldn’t have to worry about 3rd parties anymore and your fellow citizens would be involved and contributing to the poltical process.

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            So, in conclusion, I hope you stop by my ask lemmy Post to discuss your post election commitment to replace FPTP voting in your state.

            Sure, I’d be happy to! But the key phrase there is “post election.” IMO you should delete it and re-submit it on Wednesday.

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          9 days ago

          That’s absolutely true and very well put. Doing the right thing and being happy about it are two very different beasts.

          Thank you!

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      9 days ago

      I’m a real leftist who is not voting this US election

      ...

      I’m not an American citizen.

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      8 days ago

      Hang around them long enough. They will slip. They inevitably use right wing colloquialisms.

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      Dealt with someone ostensibly from the UK advocating for not voting and after being pressed repeatedly finally worked their way down to “I’m not voting because I can’t”.

      Actual foreign election interference, and the UK has some notable Russian ties. Wouldn’t be surprised if that rube has ties to Russia or is actually on a ruble payroll

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      7 days ago

      I was shocked to find out I have a friend I thought was intelligent suggest I withhold my vote for Kamala. Fuck you, dude.

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    It’s all the fault of the Democrats. If they had run Bernie he would have been voted in and we wouldn’t be here.

    The fact that Bernie endorses Harris is meaningless, because he’s not a real Socialist.

    Things I’ve heard today on Lemm.ee

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      To be fair, Bernie would have won in 2016, and I do blame Clinton for Trump winning in the first place.

      Didn’t stop me from voting for Harris though in an actually important election. Just glad it’s not Hillary i’m having to hold my nose over.

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      Biden got more votes in primaries than all the other candidates combined. That’s kind of how popularity works.
      People on the internet like to pretend that US has more progressives than it has, but all the statistics show that even the most popular progressive candidate can’t get enough support to win primaries, so chances of him winning the general election were even more slim.
      Unless that will change, best we can hope for is a competent centrist.

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        I’ve heard the “progressives” going on and on since high school. According to them the entire nation is a powder keg primed to blow up into glorious revolution any day now. Any day now…

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          I mean, they might be right but not for the reason they think and definitely not by the people we hope. “It could happen here” and all that

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    It sounds like it’s young people (under 25) who don’t understand exactly how bad it will be if trump wins.

    I’ve survived a lot of shit presidents. Trump is the first one who actually scares me.

    Hopefully they will do the right thing when it comes time to actually vote.

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      Even Dick “I did 911” Cheney is against him. He’s an actual evil person who thinks Trump is too evil

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      W was actually worse than trump’s first term.

      But that’s only because W had far more competent people, it’s like how Germany was severely handicapped in the war by Hitler always getting in the damn way.

      This time I suspect he’d have better minions.

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      Are these Schrodinger’s young people who simultaneously don’t vote, but also single-handedly tip the entire election?