I want to be more optimistic, but I’m looking for the ingredients we’d need to push back effectively on the creeping fascism any time in the near future, and they don’t seem to be here.
Democrats need a massively leftward and populist shift to differentiate themselves from Republicans in the eyes of uninformed voters, and I think there’s just too much pushing against it. All the biggest channels of information are controlled by billionaires. They are not going to present any progressive efforts in a positive light, and they’ve become really effective at setting people who have common interests against each other. That, or inundating us so much that people understandably become numb to it and tune out. Trump was about as blatantly awful as a candidate could ever be, and he still won.
I’m fearing all we have to look forward to is 10 steps back under Republicans then 1 step forward under Democrats before Republicans take control again. Democrat leadership seems to prefer losing to winning with a progressive agenda.
A foul-mouthed, shit-talking, no-bullshit pro union pro lgbtq pro healthcare ballbuster who’s sick of pussyfooting, eggshell walking, and capitulating could do wonders.
Trump’s irreverance, but paired with competence, a heart, and basic, decent, sensible views.
The DNC would never allow such a person to pass through their filters. In many ways, the Democrats themselves are as much an enemy of the people as the most extreme Republicans.
Tim Walz gives me hope, if he runs for president in 2028. He’s too big of a name now for the DNC to keep him under wraps. He might not even want to, though.
Even while running as VP he promised full undying support to Israel, almost explicitly saying they had the right to expand the war to Lebanon and Iran. Picking him was the Harris Campaign stepping on a goddamn landmine.
If people actually voted in primaries then maybe we can actually choose somebody. The fact that you people still have these rigged primary conspiracies after successfully forcing an incumbent to step down is silly beyond belief.
The sad truth is millions more people voted for Hillary Clinton than Bernie Sanders in the primary in 2016.
It’s been what? Two weeks? We sure give up quickly.
Fighting against fascism is about constant small victories. Saying no. Suing at every step. Making it to the next election with things as intact as we can make them. Maybe it won’t work, though it is sure as hell better than expecting the Democrats to step up. If we want reform, let’s cause reform.
Trump won by 1.6% of the popular vote. Not a single one of us are as alone as we think. Yeah, sure, a break would be great. We don’t get that. Moreover, we are a young country and in that time there have been governments who to many people were fascist in nature, repressive on a good day. We came out of those times better than we were because we stood up together. It’s time to hold accountable those who deserve it once again. Freedom has a price and we are mostly here because of our apathy, make no mistake, and our unwillingness to engage in greater numbers locally and in midterms. However, from there it’s on the people near and at the top.
We are the ingredients. Every action we take, even something as small as standing up for a couple in a restaurant, is a small push back.
.Fighting against fascism is about constant small victories.
That’s not generally the way fascism is defeated. Sometimes yes, but it usually takes a somewhat more aggressive approach. We should take that possible future seriously as well, even as we work to avoid it.
Yeah, this “shavings make a pile” strategy is quaint, but fascists generally only understand one message, and it’s historically delivered at the end of a fist. And Democrats are proving themselves to very much NOT be a party of fighters.
Biden has essentially been granted a King’s powers and is showing the world exactly who he is by accomplishing exactly nothing, when there are no recriminations for pushing to do ALL that he claimed he would when he took the office. He is the worlds most self-impotent empty suit.
The US just elected a child rapist, and convicted felon, who praised Hitler’s generals and said he wants to be a dictator. Oh, and he also wants to ahave everyone who ever stood against him murdered. Only 30% of eligible voters actively tried to stop it.
If you thought the Dems were conservative before, just wait and see how far right they can jump in order to chase the only group that will show up to the polls every damn time, no matter how stupid, or how fake and repeatedly disproven the reason is.
If the Democratic response to a dumb plan failing over and over is going to be “do it harder” again, then I guess America is just over. Republicans are what Republicans are. Voters are what voters have always been. We can blame them all we want, but it won’t get us anywhere. We fix the Democratic party, or try to survive until reconstruction.
It’s obvious that they are paying attention and learning. You can see it in the candidates they offer election after election. They have learned that liberals can’t be bothered to vote and will always find an excuse not to vote, and if they do vote, it will be a “protest” vote that essentially cuts off their own nose to teach their face a lesson. The only people that they can actually get elected are conservatives that are not hard core conservative enough to be Republicans, but also not liberal enough to get conservatives to come out in mass to vote against them. So, that is who they will continue to offer up, conservative candidates with a chance get elected.
So, good job, you taught them a lesson, and you can be damn sure they took it to heart.
I’d say it’s obvious that some members of the establishment are paying attention and learning.
They have learned that liberals can’t be bothered to vote and will always find an excuse not to vote
Then they (you) actually haven’t learned a damn thing. Hell, even fucking James Carville is suddenly saying that Bernie had it right.
Harris spent the last month+ of her campaign bragging about support from CEOs, promising to put a Republican in her cabinet, and touring with Liz Cheney. The idea that she made a real effort to engage liberals and leftists is pure fiction.
Even saying it’s liberals and leftists that didn’t show up is wrong. Leftists are the most reliable voters in the country. It’s working class Americans that didn’t show up for Harris or voted for Trump. Leftists tell the establishment how to get working class voters, the establishment ignores them, working class voters stay home, then the establishment blames leftists.
I want to be more optimistic, but I’m looking for the ingredients we’d need to push back effectively on the creeping fascism any time in the near future, and they don’t seem to be here.
Democrats need a massively leftward and populist shift to differentiate themselves from Republicans in the eyes of uninformed voters, and I think there’s just too much pushing against it. All the biggest channels of information are controlled by billionaires. They are not going to present any progressive efforts in a positive light, and they’ve become really effective at setting people who have common interests against each other. That, or inundating us so much that people understandably become numb to it and tune out. Trump was about as blatantly awful as a candidate could ever be, and he still won.
I’m fearing all we have to look forward to is 10 steps back under Republicans then 1 step forward under Democrats before Republicans take control again. Democrat leadership seems to prefer losing to winning with a progressive agenda.
A foul-mouthed, shit-talking, no-bullshit pro union pro lgbtq pro healthcare ballbuster who’s sick of pussyfooting, eggshell walking, and capitulating could do wonders.
Trump’s irreverance, but paired with competence, a heart, and basic, decent, sensible views.
The DNC would never allow such a person to pass through their filters. In many ways, the Democrats themselves are as much an enemy of the people as the most extreme Republicans.
Tim Walz gives me hope, if he runs for president in 2028. He’s too big of a name now for the DNC to keep him under wraps. He might not even want to, though.
Tim Walz was very conservative for a DNC lawmaker. He was put on the ticket to balance out Kamala Harris’ Tax the Rich and Legalize Weed platform.
He was conservative as a congressman due to the demands of his deeply conservative district. As governor, he has been very progressive.
Even while running as VP he promised full undying support to Israel, almost explicitly saying they had the right to expand the war to Lebanon and Iran. Picking him was the Harris Campaign stepping on a goddamn landmine.
Source? I recall him remaining largely ambiguous on Israel, at least during the campaign. I don’t know what he said before.
The Debates
If people actually voted in primaries then maybe we can actually choose somebody. The fact that you people still have these rigged primary conspiracies after successfully forcing an incumbent to step down is silly beyond belief.
The sad truth is millions more people voted for Hillary Clinton than Bernie Sanders in the primary in 2016.
It’s been what? Two weeks? We sure give up quickly.
Fighting against fascism is about constant small victories. Saying no. Suing at every step. Making it to the next election with things as intact as we can make them. Maybe it won’t work, though it is sure as hell better than expecting the Democrats to step up. If we want reform, let’s cause reform.
Trump won by 1.6% of the popular vote. Not a single one of us are as alone as we think. Yeah, sure, a break would be great. We don’t get that. Moreover, we are a young country and in that time there have been governments who to many people were fascist in nature, repressive on a good day. We came out of those times better than we were because we stood up together. It’s time to hold accountable those who deserve it once again. Freedom has a price and we are mostly here because of our apathy, make no mistake, and our unwillingness to engage in greater numbers locally and in midterms. However, from there it’s on the people near and at the top.
We are the ingredients. Every action we take, even something as small as standing up for a couple in a restaurant, is a small push back.
That’s not generally the way fascism is defeated. Sometimes yes, but it usually takes a somewhat more aggressive approach. We should take that possible future seriously as well, even as we work to avoid it.
Yeah, this “shavings make a pile” strategy is quaint, but fascists generally only understand one message, and it’s historically delivered at the end of a fist. And Democrats are proving themselves to very much NOT be a party of fighters.
Biden has essentially been granted a King’s powers and is showing the world exactly who he is by accomplishing exactly nothing, when there are no recriminations for pushing to do ALL that he claimed he would when he took the office. He is the worlds most self-impotent empty suit.
People are dealing with a serious fucking blow. Emotionally.
Probably a liiiitle soon to declare a give-up.
Demolish Citizens United. That would make a world of difference.
In the eyes of informed voters too.
It’s the Democratic Party.
The US just elected a child rapist, and convicted felon, who praised Hitler’s generals and said he wants to be a dictator. Oh, and he also wants to ahave everyone who ever stood against him murdered. Only 30% of eligible voters actively tried to stop it.
If you thought the Dems were conservative before, just wait and see how far right they can jump in order to chase the only group that will show up to the polls every damn time, no matter how stupid, or how fake and repeatedly disproven the reason is.
If the Democratic response to a dumb plan failing over and over is going to be “do it harder” again, then I guess America is just over. Republicans are what Republicans are. Voters are what voters have always been. We can blame them all we want, but it won’t get us anywhere. We fix the Democratic party, or try to survive until reconstruction.
It’s obvious that they are paying attention and learning. You can see it in the candidates they offer election after election. They have learned that liberals can’t be bothered to vote and will always find an excuse not to vote, and if they do vote, it will be a “protest” vote that essentially cuts off their own nose to teach their face a lesson. The only people that they can actually get elected are conservatives that are not hard core conservative enough to be Republicans, but also not liberal enough to get conservatives to come out in mass to vote against them. So, that is who they will continue to offer up, conservative candidates with a chance get elected.
So, good job, you taught them a lesson, and you can be damn sure they took it to heart.
I’d say it’s obvious that some members of the establishment are paying attention and learning.
Then they (you) actually haven’t learned a damn thing. Hell, even fucking James Carville is suddenly saying that Bernie had it right.
Harris spent the last month+ of her campaign bragging about support from CEOs, promising to put a Republican in her cabinet, and touring with Liz Cheney. The idea that she made a real effort to engage liberals and leftists is pure fiction.
Even saying it’s liberals and leftists that didn’t show up is wrong. Leftists are the most reliable voters in the country. It’s working class Americans that didn’t show up for Harris or voted for Trump. Leftists tell the establishment how to get working class voters, the establishment ignores them, working class voters stay home, then the establishment blames leftists.
You want ingredients? I have a cocktail recipe