A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn’t even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.

Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.

Just FYI for now. It’s late here so I’ll see how we proceed tomorrow.

  • Concetta@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    75·
    1 year ago

    This could not be any funnier. Please reddit, take legal control of the piracy subreddit, right as you take the experienced mod team out. I’m sure everything will go fantastic.

  • Iconoclast@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    34·
    1 year ago

    Haha what the fuck I really did NOT think they would do that to r/piracy of all things. Ah well fuck them and their shitty IPO. I‘m here with you guys for good, the structure of the fediverse suits our purposes and community better anyway.

    • Contend6248@feddit.deEnglish
      18·
      1 year ago

      I would imagine that can lead to legal troubles endorsing r/piracy willingly?

      Accepting it is one thing, but forcing it to open is entirely different.

      • Iconoclast@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        9·
        1 year ago

        I would imagine too, but who knows, there is a different set of rules for companies and the rich.

        Now that Reddit is asserting direct control over it, maybe they‘ll turn it into an anti-piracy sub to prevent any legal trouble.

  • sol87@lemmy.worldEnglish
    171·
    1 year ago

    "In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by Section 230, courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:

    1. The defendant must be a “provider or user” of an “interactive computer service”.
    2. The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the “publisher or speaker” of the harmful information at issue.

    3. The information must be “provided by another information content provider”, i.e., the defendant must not be the “information content provider” of the harmful information at issue."

    If Reddit the company is now picking and choosing who approves or blocks harmful information, are they an information content provider now? Are they liable if their chosen mods allow harmful content?

  • arkcom@kbin.social
    10·
    1 year ago

    Obvious that this is automated and will be going out to all subs. They definitely wouldn’t go to bat to keep a piracy sub open, unless they’re even dumber than I thought.

  • dogmuffins@lemmy.mlEnglish
    10·
    1 year ago

    This is happening all over reddit.

    Mods are posting all over the place saying “I have to bend over for the admins because if I don’t they’ll find someone else who will”.

    You do you but honestly I find this a bit weird. As an unpaid volunteer you don’t have to do anything. Just resign. Reddit’s not about to die but it’s best days are in the past. I wouldn’t want to be a part of the future of reddit.

    • Litanys@lem.cochrun.xyzEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      This needs so much more noise! If only some of us were part of major news channels, more shareholders need to know now that reddit is in IPO process. It’ll hurt bad.

  • Margot Robbie@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    1 year ago

    If reddit decides to moderate the Piracy subreddit directly, does that mean that they’ll be responsible to respond to DMCA requests? If so, that’s going to be a shitshow all in itself.

  • onepinksheep@kbin.social
    5·
    1 year ago

    So basically, according to Reddit, they own everything on Reddit. That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility. Bold strategy, cotton. They’re basically waiving their net neutrality.

    • Lorez@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      2·
      1 year ago

      That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility.

      Of course not, from reddit’s ToS: "By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.

      You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:

      When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content." –https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-september-12-2021

      • onepinksheep@kbin.social
        2·
        1 year ago

        That’s their TOS. Their actions recently — namely undeleting user posts and comments — run directly counter to their TOS. They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.

        • Lorez@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          0·
          1 year ago

          They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.

          Reddit reserves all the rights to everything you post ("When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, etc., etc.), but you alone are responsible for it (“Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.”).

      • Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world
        0·
        1 year ago

        Does this, from a legal standpoint, absolve them of what is hosted on their servers? Especially when they just took steps to make sure it is open for bussiness?

        • Lorez@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          0·
          1 year ago

          Not a lawyer, so not sure how enforceable reddit’s ToS is, but the TL;DR (as I read it) is “you’re responsible for everything you post; reddit owns it.”

          • leem@yiffit.net
            1·
            1 year ago

            Section 230 (often called the 26 words that created the internet) reads:

            No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

            Wikipedia also says:

            Section 230©(2) further provides “Good Samaritan” protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the good faith removal or moderation of third-party material they deem “obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.”

            I’m also not a lawyer so I have no clue what the ramifications for this are, but I’m guessing that Reddit isn’t liable for stuff people upload as long as the illegal stuff gets removed.

            If Reddit undeletes a post, could they be treated as the publisher? At the very least it sounds not very good-samaritan-y of them to do that, so maybe they wouldn’t be protected in that case.

            BTW, the supreme court heard a few cases centered around section 230 a few months ago! And Biden called for it to be reformed! So depending on how that goes, the internet could get shaken up soon. We’re in some interesting times.

  • citable6704@midwest.socialEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    1: Funny we were all in here like two days ago saying “they’ll probably be happy to have the piracy sub gone”

    2: Any member of the existing mod team that helps them is a fucking scab

    3: Everyone else has made a good point about some potential liability issues of reddit the corporation wresting control of the piracy subreddit into their own hands

    4: There are so many layers of irony with a corporation saying people need to have access to the community that tells them how to commit copyright infringement and then forcing that information into the open despite what its caretakers wish.

  • Spzi@lemmy.clickEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    Whenever you see inserted words, please imagine an awkwardly moving but very colorful parrot squawking it.

    The ability to find and make these connections prrrofits is incredibly important to many people ourrr sharrreholders, and ensuring that active communities are able to remain [a] stable and active (and open) source of prrrofits is very important forrr us!

    Our goal here is to work with the existing mod team to find a path forward into exile and make sure your subreddit is usable for the community company which makes its home monnney here.

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          This is not a simple problem to solve and it exists nowhere online. The fediverse however affords at least way more control than reddit or any forum where they can do the same and you have no options whatsoever

            • code_is_speech@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              You’ve sold me on nostr as a protocol, and the importance of nomadic identities more generally. Thing is, I don’t and have never used twitter, or any simililar platform, since I’m not really interested in that model of content consumption. (User/follower based)

              I’m much more interested in group/community based models, like lemmy/reddit, and conceptually even futaba/chan style imageboards where users can create their own boards (though I have yet to see one that isn’t a cesspit).

            • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
              0·
              1 year ago

              I checked nosr. It’s very misguided. It’s anti-spam strategy is wishful thinking. I wish them best of luck, but my belief is that it will crash and burn due to trying to fix something unfixable.

                • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
                  0·
                  1 year ago

                  relays can choose to block content.

                  This is so naive I don’t even know where to start. But it’s ok, I don’t need to convince you. Reality will do it for me anyway.

  • ethane@kbin.social
    3·
    1 year ago

    Make sure you remove any and all bots created, and delete all the custom work you did. Reddit can probably restore it, but it’ll take them time and effort to do so.

    • lka1988@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      They can restore the bot accounts, sure, but they can’t restore the servers that run those bot accounts.