Read it let me know what you think.
I posted this here because I wanted to talk about it and I wanted to see what peoples reactions were. What I find interesting is that rather than discuss the piece, people seem more concerned with bashing substack. For what it’s worth I really doubt the Americans will invade.
This article is speculation. The author states that this assumption is based on a few discussions they’ve had with random people on Xitter.
Just call it twitter.
I think this is the post that finally gives me the push to filter substack…
Substack will have wildly different levels of quality depending on the substackee.
Ok I wont even bother opening the link and I will just blacklist substack with my pihole. I have never really liked the site but I will take your word for it and just cut the cord.
It’s not like Trump’s desires are a secret or anything. He outright talks about Canada joining the US almost daily, and throws in some threats about Greenland too every so often too. It is just how Trump works - he assumes everything is his for the taking until someone more powerful than him says no. The prick can’t even hold tariffs for a few days before powerful CEO’s call him and tell him to knock it off.
But as pointed out in the link: It would be the last thing the Trump admin does. The US would quickly succumb to civil war as every member of NATO and Canada’s military partners swarm to defend it and the rebelling US states. The US, as it stands today, would effectively be destroyed.
It would be the last thing the Trump admin does. The US would quickly succumb to civil war as every member of NATO and Canada’s military partners swarm to defend it and the rebelling US states. The US, as it stands today, would effectively be destroyed.
I don’t think the world is that altruistic.
Americans tend to do what they’re told, so I wouldn’t expect anything other than thoughts and prayers from within the US. Sure, there would be a Million Maple March in Washington, but nothing would come of it.
I doubt our NATO partners would rush to put their soldiers in harms way. The US is a nuclear superpower that says it’s their ally - that’s both a carrot and stick getting them to sit out. I don’t think they’ve even offered much condemnation of Trump’s “51st state” comments.
So far, waiting for Americans to do the right thing in the face of madness has not payed off for anyone. I think it’s dangerous to expect them to start.
Yes but it is the MAGAits who own the guns, in this civil war. Sure once NATO comes down on the US poop gets real but I am still concerned, we will see the next US civil war soon, hears hoping the buffalo party does not decide to welcome them here.
Everyone ownes guns instead US. Not just the right. The left has seen this coming for some time and have armed up. It will be a complete shit show if they start killing each other.
That being said, I believe Civil War is inevitable in the US. It’s about to boil over.
Prior to Trump taking office the first time I read the literature on a second US civil war, most of the literature said it is not if it is when and it was all published prior to Trump rolling down the escalator. I thought Luigi was going to be what actually started their next civil war but it looks me now that it will be Musk, however Luigi’s sentencing may also be a boiling point. I so want Luigi to be found innocent but I am not holding my breath!
There’s plenty of left/Left/Dem Muricans who own guns, just most of them aren’t the “have enough guns and ammo to equip half a battalion” type of gun owner.
They are also silent, they don’t feel the need to lay each gun out on their back deck and take a pic for xitter with their children in the middle of all the guns
I’m not giving any clicks to substack. Fuck that nazi ass platform.
Wait what is it?
They got called out for allowing nazi and other content. They cried “free speech!”. Eventually they said “we fixed” by which they really meant that they only let you post Nazi (and similar) content if you don’t directly call for the killing/extermination of people. That’s where it was the last time I read about it, so I assume they’re still quite happy to take money from and give money to some of the worst people around. No clicks from me.
If it happens, I’m pretty sure almost as many Americans as Canadians would be fighting FOR the Canadian side.
There’s a lot of Americans that would happily defect to Canada if their country decided on something so monumentally stupid.
Let’s see the fat fucks in that absolutely segregated country try it. They would have to sway their public opinion on a level that I don’t think is possible to make that an even close to feasible option. And if that ever did happen I would gladly give my life, and I’m fairly certain I can take out the 8 Americans it would require to even the score before they’d get me on my home turf.
Washingtonian here. I am reading this and trying to fathom how this disjointed country could manage something like this.
We’re already cracked, but the glass is roughly holding together. Something like this would shatter the cup, the shelves, and the entire house.
I hate this, I can’t stand the wedge he’s driven between us and the world, and I can’t see us walking this back.
Imma be honest with you. The Canada-US relationship is shattered. I have to seriously decide if I ever set foot in the US ever again. We can talk all we want about most Americans not wanting this, but it still happened. The fact that this is even a serious discussion tells volumes.
I dont know if this can ever be mended.
It is dependent entirely on what the American citizens do from here on out to me. If they do something to stop this en mass I will forgive them. But I doubt they will do more than lament about it online at most. Half of them support this idiot.
I’ve been talking about this a lot. We don’t have a unified banner fight under. Our liberal leadership are weak, and they undermine the leftists and progressives who want to actually fight.
Bernie Sanders is rallying people all over the country right now, getting them angry. Most people I know are livid.
We need a spark to light the powderkeg.
Personally speaking, I’ve already been making plans to leave. I have no pride in this place. I never have. My girlfriend is a citizen of Mexico and I have the ability to work from there if I want. I’m going there to scout places to live next Thursday.
Anyway, for what it’s worth, I’m rooting for the rest of the world. Trump and his goons can keep the mess they’ve made. Unless fighting breaks out in Seattle, its none of my business. To hell with this country.
(Good seeing you again, Crux. The fediverse is actually still a small place.)
lol it is. I find myself arguing with someone in one comment section and then agreeing with them and telling them how cool they are in another lots of the time. It’s funny.
I know it’s no consolation, but not all of us down here are shit-bags. I am the son of an immigrant, I speak a few languages, have traveled around the world several times. I’ve always been keenly aware of how awful the United States are. It’s always been a point of embarrassment for me. Over the last 10 years, though, I’ve had to come to terms with leaving.
It’s hard to just give up a whole life. I have friends, a community, family, and belongings that I will have to choose to leave behind.
But I’m unhappy here.
Just know that while it’s easy to say “all Americans can fuck off,” and largely I am on board with that, those of us who want change can’t seem to find a way to make it happen. Voting failed us majorly twice. I’m not fully convinced that the tech sector didn’t help usher this asshole into power.
They absolutely did. There is no question. Peter Thiel especially.
I responded to Cruxifux below, but it applies to this comment. For what it’s worth, I agree with your sentiment.
I think I’d just supporting the inevitable insurgency. Lots of Americans would probably join in as well. I’m sure China and Russia would gladly supply support. Putin’s such a good buddy with Trump, he might even not smile as he funds the absolute destruction of the US for generations at pennies on the dollar.
It’s the stupidest speculative future I can imagine. Who gains in this scenario? Why do something so obviously self destructive? Thing is, who would start a trade war and “joke” about annexation so much? Only someone so ill-informed that they can’t remember how Afghanistan played out (twice) as well as Vietnam, Iraq, etc. Look how much Russia has bled in Ukraine, and to gain so little.
This isn’t Europa Universalis IV. The strength of empires is not built on force of arms. It’s built on the ability to wage war at an industrial scale, to maintain the supply lines and build the tools of destruction. More than that, it the ability to develop the connections to never need to war, and make war too costly.
The steel and aluminum tariffs are a great example of that. Alcan (now Rio-Tinto Alcan), originally Aluminum Company of Canada, is the largest producer of aluminum in the world. It was originally a subsidiary of Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America. It was an example of “friendshoring” or “nearshoring”. Canadian aluminum helped build the Spitfires and Mustangs, the Lancasters and Flying Fortresses of WW2. Similar with steal. Since then, it’s only become more interconnected. The cold war wasn’t won in the fields of Vietnam, but in the studios of Hollywood and the factories of the Free World. Now Trump is throwing that away. For what? That’s the scary thing, I remember learning about Mercantilism in Grade 10. The President of the US is operating at a Grade 10 level of understanding of the fate of nations. He’s just ignorant enough he could do something really stupid.
“In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity" —Sun Tzu, probably the one quote Trump ever saw.
“The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.” ― Sun Tzu, the chapter Trump never got to.
However feasible or not any of this is, at this point we have to acknowledge that trump is dead serious about it. It seems unfathomable to a normal person, but he’s not normal and there can be no doubt he wants to do it. He’s a megalomaniac who wants absolute power, wants to be like Putin and invade other countries. And he has many eager enablers to come up with plans.
Do you think that the people in the army are going to execute his command if he orders an invasion of Canada?
You don’t think the vast majority are going to consciously object? We both have so many friends and family on both sides, i doubt they’d ever even leave their bases.
During the election cycle he said “I want generals like Hitler’s generals” because in his previous administration all his military officials expressed too many concerns about his decisions.
At this point I don’t know that the people that would say no are even still there. He’s purging the government of dissidents. We have to prepare for the possibility that they will go through with it.
I doubt very much he can remove the whole chain of command to replace them with his people. And even if that happens even the lowest of soldiers won’t go ahead with an invasion. They’d have to recruit every god damn redneck there is. Like what Russia is doing. And don’t think for a second the rest of the country are gonna stay idle if that ever even happens.
One soldier is one to many, but there will be many who do follow the orders. Likely more who would not.
While I agree this is absolutely what Trump would like to do, it seems pretty unlikely it would get to this point, and the tone of the article makes just makes the whole thing sound like fanatical propaganda.
I’m sure someone a lot smarter than Donald Trump thinks what is outlined here could work, but in reality:
A- this would quickly bankrupt the entire United States
B- it would never actually work since Canada is HUGE and has a strong sizable army
And finally,
C- no one in the United States actually wants to take over Canada. It’s a stupid idea that only the most unhinged and uneducated psychopaths would ever actually support
Lastly, I would probably be more willing to take this article seriously if it provided any real evidence of this supposed “imminent threat” and were posted somewhere a little more trustworthy than Substack
Look, they’re dumb and this isn’t impossible, but this would mean a complete crash of the US economy overnight. It’s the least likely thing, and this one source is probably wrong or lying.
Have you been watching the market? A crash is coming soon.
