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Great reply except that the Website is just a collection of sources, meaning it doesn’t matter that the website is “random” because it isn’t the source, it’s a collective of multiple sources. Don’t deflect, explain the classified cable showing US knew there was no firing in the square; explain Hou Dejian (one of the protest leaders’) admissions. The 6-4 massacre is just a specific example of the Western atrocity narrative not specific to CNN (which is why I mentioned other Western sources), and it shows how CNN is a part of this disinformation drive. Can I get a single response honestly addressing anything I said or what?

1. The first article deals with a U.S. bill passed against organ harvesting, of which the passage of such a bill on its own is no more evidence of the PRC’s wrongdoing than if the PRC were to pass a law against U.S. wrongdoing. The article mostly touches on Enver Tohti’s testimony and others presented at the Uyghur Tribunal, a “people’s tribunal” requested by the World Uyghur Congress, an organization which partially funded the Uyghur Tribunal, and which is funded by the NED, a U.S. government agency which distributes funds allocated to it by Congress (i.e. the Tribunal was funded by the U.S. government through an intermediary).

The current president of the NED Carl Gershman stated in 1986, “We should not have to do this kind of work covertly. It would be terrible for democratic groups around the world to be seen as subsidized by the C.I.A. We saw that in the 60’s, and that’s why it has been discontinued. We have not had the capability of doing this, and that’s why the endowment was created.”

And Allen Weinstein (founder of the NED) said in 1991, "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.”

The Tribunal itself had issues with the accurate handling of testimonies, with a relevant comment in an assessment reading: “Needless to say, the (unsworn) word of one individual is not sufficient to substantiate such a grave allegation, nor is it sufficient to extrapolate it out to the PRC government possessing special genocidal intent forming part of a manifest pattern of destruction directed at the Uyghur population. Reliance on such weak evidence may be a result of the Uyghur Tribunal failing to appoint a (competent) defense counsel for the PRC government.”

The article later cites the China Tribunal, initiated by ETAC, which has Falun Gong (homophobic feudalist cult) members on its committee. The Tribunal faces the same problems of cross examination and no proper opposition representation with the majority of its witnesses being Falun Gong members, and there also being the testimony of a WUC member (problems already discussed):

Fears were compounded during the so-called “People’s” China Tribunal” in 2019 when observers learned over the course of days of witness testimonies, first hand experiences and expert research, that organs were available on demand, that special fast track human organ lanes had been set aside at Xinjiang’s Kashgar airport, and that Uyghurs were being increasingly targeted.

The OCHR “extreme alarm” bit is nonsense, with the cited article containing no specifics at all, and the full OCHR report being (relatively) (poor).

2. The second source is the testimony of a doctor. Like the falsified testimony of infanticide in Iraq which partially urged the Iraq War, this is not enough to indict an entire nation, especially with this testimony being presented in front of a U.S. government committee, with testimony in this area proven to be falsified in other instances.

3. A wikipedia article with weak statistical precedent for accepting the word of a deranged racist cult.

4. Most of the sources are just the findings of the China Tribunal (already discussed)

We must protest the unjust and inhumane incarceration and oppression of Uyghurs and marginalized groups around the world.

The cited source in this excerpt is a Toronto Star article which cites the China Tribunal again of course, but also states that this is the largest incarceration of a minority group since the Holocaust, despite no evidence of this, with the origin of the million+ number being Adrian Zenz (Director at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, which was established by the U.S. government), who in his initial report for this estimate [https://doi.org/10.1080/02634937.2018.1507997], cites RFA (U.S. government propaganda outlet) four times, and the estimate is only mentioned on (pp. 21-2). Zenz finds this number by roughly extrapolating a “leaked” report by Newsweek Japan (affiliated with Newsweek Inc.). This report comes from “Istekral TV”, which frequently platforms the terrorist organization ETIM. The report was never confirmed. Judging by an RFA report (RFA 2017; p. 22), Zenz states, “while there is no certainty, it is reasonable to speculate that the total number of detainees is between several hundred thousand and just over one million.” This is all that is said regarding this topic. Since then, Zenz as well as everyone else have converted the number (it is quite suitable to multiply it at one’s discretion) into pathology, so that its origins are quite obscured.

Sure, I’m glad I wasn’t born in Russia only to be a bullet sponge in an unjustifiable war.

Unlike all of the justifiable U.S. wars /s

Proof China is forcibly harvesting organs?

So weird that you’re speculating on why I said that as if I didn’t embed a link in the sentence which clarifies this (see section: George Orwell’s Very British Anti-Semitism). And no, it has nothing to do with Goldstein (Trotsky stand-in who never actually appears and may not be real, yes I’ve read the book). What’s weirder than your comment is the fact that five people liked it, which to me indicates that people disliked my comment not because it was incorrect but because it was correct and clashed with their views, ushering in minute pedantic criticisms which aren’t even correct, that people then blindly like in the belief that this somehow discredits my comment and removes it from consideration.

Edit: No way is this comment already in the negative upvotes lmao; the person I’m responding to was incorrect and misrepresented my position purely because they didn’t go through the effort of clicking the link on my comment before responding. There is no argument that can possibly be made for them being correct. How is this level of cognitive dissonance even possible?

North Korea tried to invade and subjugate South Korea. The fact that both America and North Korea have nukes does not somehow excuse North Korean attempts to acquire them and terrorize South Korea and Japan. (Yes, despite the fact America has detonated them. In what sense do past American atrocities make North Korean aggression okay?)

Talk about shockingly disingenuous. There was no divided Korea until the U.S. arrived, with the dividing line being drawn by two U.S. officials with no precedent to get Seoul in their occupied territory (Patriots, Traitors and Empires, p. 73). The American zone of South Korea was called a “police state” by Roger Baldwin, chief of the American Civil Liberties Union; before the Korean War, the south had 70,000 leftists in concentration camps (Korea’s Place in the Sun, p. 223); by December 1949 the anti-communist National Security Law in the occupied South had been used to arrest 188,621 people (Ibid., p. 348); the U.S. military literally trafficked Korean women for r*pe in continuation of Japanese colonial comfort stations (Patriots, Traitors and Empires, p. 33;. look up the Jeju Massacre for me as well.

“Korea is a major responsibility which we [Amerikans] as a world power have voluntarily assumed. . . . We have committed here some of our most excruciating errors… Opinion polls show that 64 out of every 100 Koreans dislike us” — Mark Gayn in New York Star, Nov. 1947

“[There is] growing resentment against all Americans in the area including passive resistance… Every day of drifting under this situation makes our position in Korea more untenable and decreases our waning popularity… The word pro-American is being added to pro-Jap, national traitor, and collaborator” — John R. Hodge (U.S. Army Officer) (Korea’s Place in the Sun)

Here’s some examples of Japanese colonial collaborators and officials promoted in the ROK:

• Paek Son-yop, also from the Kwantung Army, was the first four-star general in the south Korean army
• Paek In-yop (Kwantung), commander of south Korea’s 17th Independent Regiment
• Park Chung-hee (Kwantung), south Korean Army, south Korean President (1962-63)
• Kim Chae-gyu (Japanese military officer), head of south Korean Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA)
• Kim Sok-won (colonel, Japanese Imperial Army), lead the 1948 6/2 parade consisting of 2,500 Japanese army veterans through Seoul (the manufactured capital of SK)

The KPA invaded (as far as one can invade oneself) an illegitimate stronghold of U.S. brutality where the people were oppressed and attempted to do away with the division of their nation, not “subjugate [the south]” a goal which had already been accomplished. As far as aggression goes, do you not know about the SK-US(-Japanese) joint military mobilizations along the DMZ, which provoke weapons demonstrations for the purpose of deterrence (of which the nuclear weaponry of the DPRK is only referred to in the context of deterrence in state media). To quote David E. Sanger, a member of the U.S. state adjacent Council on Foreign Relations: “The fear is not that [the DPRK] would launch a pre-emptive attack on the West Coast; that would be suicidal, and if the North’s 33-year-old leader has demonstrated anything in his five years in office, he is all about survival. But if [the DPRK] has the potential ability to strike back, it will shape every decision Mr. Trump and his successors make.” Do you not know about the incessant threats of nuclear annihilation by the U.S., not to mention of course the fact that they killed millions of Koreans in the Korean War (FLW), showing this is not an empty threat? I hope you’re just ignorant, cause seriously get a grip.

“China is censoring CNN!” CNN isn’t available in China in most areas in the first place due to their history of lying about China ([Ex.] [Disproof]); [Ex.] [Disproof]; ([Ex.] [Disproof]); ([Ex.] [Disproof 1] (China DID deny the authenticity of the documents) & [Disproof 2])—this isn’t all but I think I’ve made my point. There are even lies in the brief clip CNN posted: claim: Xi gave Qin Gang the position of foreign minister (this isn’t true; the National People’s Congress elects the foreign minister, with Qin’s removal occurring due to majority decision by the Standing Committee of the NPC, which is elected by the NPC); they claimed that Xi Jinping “puts people in place” that he can control, despite no examples, with the further notion that “the whole system revolves around him”, despite no explanation. CNN’s select broadcasts in China have frequent interruptions not only due to censorship, although spreading misinformation might be the reason in this case. Some commenters have even had the braindead revelation that this confirms the report, since if it was false they would let everyone be misled?? This idea obviously doesn’t make sense, but it’s anti-China so it doesn’t matter.

There’s also the frequent tendency to see censorship very simplistically, with it usually only being viewed as a retroactive affair (as seen in the concept of book banning). It’s an offshoot of the notion of the abolition of history, with the present conditions seen as a reflection of blind rationality, and so the status and scope of CNN (owned by the Warner Media corporation of course, as Fox News is owned by Fox Corp., The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos, and so on, all with no introspection whatsoever on the part of their readers) is merely “how it is”, with any restrictions placed on this fact only then seen as an exertion of “censorship” on the blind natural law of the press.

Also love the 1984 reference in another comment; anti-Semitic works like it will be quoted until the end of time by liberal chauvinists. The quote itself is fine on its own, but its appropriation is awful (and lends itself to the book’s anti-Semitic foundation), somehow arguing that the true distortion is the struggle against it.