Does method of execution, crime committed or overall cost matter to you?

  • LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz
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    17 hours ago

    The death penalty should ALMOST never be used. The only use for the death penalty is for world leaders that direct their subordinates to commit atrocious acts.

    Normal civilians, no matter how dangerous, should only ever be treated with dignity. There is no place for state sanctioned murder.

    A) It is immoral.

    B) The justice system isn’t perfect, and death is final.

    C) The actual cost of going through all the trials and effort to put someone to death is typically higher than just keeping them locked up.

    D) There is no humane way to put someone to death.

    E) It is not effective at preventing crime. It only makes it so people have nothing to lose by being caught.

    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.worldOP
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      17 hours ago

      B and E are the strongest cases against it in my opinion. I think C could be mitigated with new practices. A is arguable dependent on the individuals morals, ethically, youd have a better argument. D feels like we just haven’t tried, what about a FAT dose of fent or a gunshot to the head. I’d be fine with killing convicted serial rapists, serial murderers and serial pedophiles. But that brings up B, wrongful convictions happen all the time and you’re right, it is final.

      • LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz
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        17 hours ago

        C) Cutting the cost of putting someone to death just increases the chances that you’re putting the wrong person to death. It’s expensive cause that’s the best way to ensure that it’s being done right. Cutting costs just means you’re going to make more mistakes.

        D) The reason we can’t do it humanely is because anyone with the training to do it right doesn’t want to participate in the process. It’s not that we’re not smart enough. And even if we can do it painlessly, it doesn’t mean that it’s still not a horrible experience.

        Why are you putting people do death? What’s the purpose? Cause it makes you feel better that this person isn’t alive anymore? Then that’s a terrible reason.

        So they won’t do it again? We already have them locked up, they’re done commiting crimes.

        So it stops others from doing it? Well, we already know that doesn’t work.

        So what’s the reason?

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          11 hours ago

          So they won’t do it again? We already have them locked up, they’re done commiting crimes.

          People run gangs while inside. Being incarcerated definitely doesn’t stop them from committing crimes.

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              25 minutes ago

              I didn’t offer my opinion on the death penalty. You made an absurd claim to support your position; I merely pointed out how wildly wrong you were.

        • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.worldOP
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          17 hours ago

          I appreciate your points and they are valid.I agree with you for the most part honestly. If there was video evidence of them committing the crimes I could see expediting the process. But with AI now even that isn’t 100%. The most reasonable argument for it I’ve heard goes something like the following. The person being put to death should never have the opportunity to experience happiness again. Which they will have the opportunity to do while incarcerated. They will enjoy a book, make a friend, have a good conversation or enjoy drugs/exercise. I don’t really have any empathy for a serial rapist and I don’t personally believe a person like that deserves or is capable of any type or rehabilitation.