A bit over a month ago, a user posted in !main@sh.itjust.works to propose defederating from maga.place. That post was followed by a discussion in !agora@sh.itjust.works a week ago, which seems to have gained some traction. In response, we’re going to hold a vote on the matter. Voting will be open for one week, through Friday, November 7.

The Agora discussion post is here:
https://sh.itjust.works/post/48420886

Only sh.itjust.works accounts created prior to today (October 31) may cast a vote.

Vote by commenting either yes/aye/oui or nay/no/non.

Any further discussion should happen in the Agora post linked above.

Additional Context/Discussions

Similar discussion at lemmy.ca: https://sh.itjust.works/post/46502305

Other fediverse instances are also defederating: https://sh.itjust.works/post/48111431

The instance’s page at Fediseer: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/maga.place

VOTE RESULT

yes/aye/oui: 363
nay/no/non: 43

  • starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works
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    20 days ago

    Sure let’s check the sub I have never seen a single post from. Oh I can block the community there we go. Oh 15 different misinfo posts from 15 different maga.place communities, I guess I just have to block every single community. (i.e. block the instance). The difference is you can FIND those communities. I am seeing MAINLY these kinds of terrible posts on maga.place.

    Here’s some undeniable misinfo posts from the NEWS community usanews https://maga.place/post/13207 https://maga.place/post/13643 Yes the shadowy antifa organization just like the shadowy blm organization. I’ve gone to these protests, I’m still waiting to get in contact with the antifa leaders and get my paycheck.

    Also yes, you can find brainrot/divisiveness, but very rarely actual hatred, unless it’s a trans person saying “wow this administration quite literally took away my rights!” Or someone saying “I will actually die if they take away my healthcare.” This is not the same as “they hurt the economy and had stupid policies, let’s call them garbage.” Again I am not saying you WILL NOT FIND THIS ON THE LEFT. but it is a FIREHOSE vs a faucet. One of conservatives favorite shows fox news just repeats hatred towards democrats 24/7, and that is what they are used to.

    Alright let’s compare to c/politicalmemes then

    Mamdani didn’t just beat cuomo, he beat the establishment

    The cruelty is the point (Republicans voting against snap, holding snap recipients hostage. Arguable that this is legitimately just true because it makes their bargaining better, but I could give you this one)

    Post about the epstein files (nonpartisan even Republicans want it)

    Everyone has lost their minds (nonpartisan)

    Joke about how trump can’t read (I could argue hes proven this but ill give this to you)

    Image of mamdani turning away from autocracy to democracy, with an angry trump. Biased but just a standard political cartoon

    Joke about fox news saying liberals are losing by winning

    Post about someone saying Mike Johnson won’t open the government because he doesn’t want to release the epstein files

    Post about disabled rights being human rights

    So 1 post about trump not being able to read, and 1 post about how the Republicans who are voting to not fund snap actually WANT people to not have snap. The rest are nonpartisan or positive messages all around. I felt better reading c/politicalmemes because among the brainrot there were positive messages and nonpartisan “hey guys this sure is crazy.” Waiting for the post on c/conservative where they say “hey guys protect your legal Mexican neighbor from ICE, there’s been a lot of false deportations.” Again I am not arguing that it DOESN’T happen, but maga.place is 50% EXTREMELY biased, hateful, or misinformation. Not comparable to 8/10 posts on a VERY heavily leftist site being apolitical, and the other 2 having a grain of truth if hyperbolic.

    From: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/after-jimmy-kimmels-show-was-suspended-a-key-question-is-does-the-fcc-have-the-power-to-regulate-speech

    "I mean, look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct to take actions, frankly on Kimmel, or there’s going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.” Carr likened Kimmel’s comment to “news distortion,” which is against FCC’s rules for broadcasters.

    And then a couple hours later he is suspended. I guess it’s possible the FCC threatened to take action against people hosting Kimmel. Then, independently with no influence from the threat of their broadcast license being revoked, they removed Jimmy Kimmel. That is one possibility.

    Ok sure I would agree. I would also say they are misinformed, so I would not use hateful language against my fellow Americans, saying they are the Hitler youth. I do not want someone who is misinformed to be CALLED Hitler youth because it will PROVABLY make it harder to change their mind and cause more divisiveness. Literally less than 0 reason to post it.

    I am not saying they have 0 value for me. I’m saying objectively they have less than 0 value since many of their posts are hateful and divisive, or straight up misinformation. Someone being around misinformation and hatred makes them a more hateful person who also spreads that misinformation. I would block the instance regardless, but I don’t want the average joe thinking “hm maybe these guys have a point, I never see anyone discussing these (completely discredited) studies about climate change! They must be too radically leftist to do so.” and then start hanging out in conservative communities. This is literally how many people get radicalized, is through propaganda and fake news.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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      Again I am not arguing that it DOESN’T happen, but maga.place is 50% EXTREMELY biased, hateful, or misinformation. Not comparable to 8/10 posts on a VERY heavily leftist site being apolitical, and the other 2 having a grain of truth if hyperbolic.

      I could point out more blatant examples, such as lemmygrad, or many communities on Lemmy.ml. Often the post itself isn’t as blatant, but the top comments certainly are, and the moderation backs it up.

      The main difference is that Fox News is more popular. The same misinformation and aggressive rhetoric exists elsewhere, it just doesn’t have the same funding or reach as Fox News.

      What’s funny is that other fox-named news orgs (local fox stations) tend to be among the best wrt accuracy and lack of rhetoric. In my area (Utah), the local fox station is way better than the large, independent, conservative station and news org (KSL and Deseret News, both owned by the dominant church here). They’re unaffiliated with Fox News, but many get them confused.

      And then a couple hours later he is suspended. I guess it’s possible the FCC threatened to take action against people hosting Kimmel

      I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. ABC stations were involved in a merger which was close to the edge of violating antitrust. Determining whether it does or not could take a long time in the courts, which could cause complications when negotiating contracts and whatnot. Kimmel’s remarks implied that Republicans were to blame, which could be considered a violation of certain agreements for OTA transmission. Again, that would take a long time to sort out in the courts.

      Maybe what the FCC said amounted to intimidation. Maybe ABC was looking for an excuse. Idk.