• brachiosaurus@mander.xyz
    1·
    11 days ago

    How do you build such a system though?

    With a constitution that’s can’t be modified without a referendum

    How do you construct a system which has the authority to prevent corrupt individuals from oppressing others, but doesn’t oppress people itself?

    By fighting corruption instead of building a society on top of it

    • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      3·
      11 days ago

      With a constitution that’s can’t be modified without a referendum

      Bruh, the last time my country’s constitution got changed was through a referendum that made gay marriage impossible.

      • brachiosaurus@mander.xyz
        1·
        11 days ago

        Which country? was the referendum fair or rigged?

        There’s a precondition for a democracy to work which is a fair voting process, this includes free and non monopolized access to information. I don’t think it’s hard to write a constitution that is not fixed and that still grant essential rights to people.

        • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          2·
          11 days ago

          Croatia. Completely fair, the referendum was the hottest topic in all media for weeks if not months and absolutely everyone who had an opinion on the matter could vote. Do you actually think most people out there aren’t still homophobic as hell?

          • brachiosaurus@mander.xyz
            11·
            10 days ago

            I don’t know much about croatia but i’m sure mass media are rigged there just like in any other european country

                • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  1·
                  9 days ago

                  Eh, I’d never use the word “rigged” for that meaning, nor am I 100% sure what that has to do with the outcome of the referendum - I don’t remember hearing much support for the referendum in mainstream media, if you’re assumimg they promoted it. The promotion went through other channels, primarily conservative activist orgs and the Church.

                  Regarding the political ties, the situation was more complex - the govt has almost direct control over one major media institution, while the rest of the media landscape is fragmented, private, with two of the three biggest TV channels being owned by foreigners. Still, you might wish to believe in some control the govt might have had over the media - but the govt at the time was nominally left-wing and the referendum went against their goals. They evidently didn’t or couldn’t influence the people through media enough. It was a massive embarrassment and symbolic defeat of them when the referendum passed.

                  I don’t know what other sort of scenario you can now come up with to explain away the reality of widespread homophobia outside of your urban 1st world / internet bubble. It’s all just utopistic imagination with no substance, and I have to admit it makes me pessimistic.

    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      11 days ago

      By fighting corruption instead of building a society on top of it

      But how? How do you enforce the fight against corruption without a system which itself is vulnerable to corruption?

      • brachiosaurus@mander.xyz
        1·
        11 days ago

        You don’t have to enforce it, you should not promote it and not making rolemodels out of corrupted people. Have you ever heard of kids being teach in school that corruption is bad? Me personally never

        • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          11 days ago

          You were never taught that corruption is bad? I was. I was also told not to lie, cheat, steal, harm others, etc. I think most people were, and yet we still have crime. D.A.R.E. told entire generations of kids that drugs are bad, and yet people still use drugs.

          How do you prevent people from promoting corruption and making role models of the corrupt? That requires some method of enforcement, otherwise you might as well be wishing on a star.

          • brachiosaurus@mander.xyz
            11·
            10 days ago

            You were never taught that corruption is bad? I was. I was also told not to lie, cheat, steal, harm others, etc.

            I personally don’t recall being taught about corruption specifically. I was teach about being a good boy in elementary school but after that i don’t recall any class about how to be kind and good.

            and yet people still use drugs.

            People are taught that drugs are bad but not much is explained about the underlying problems that make people do drugs, such as trying to cope with high competitive standards since childhood.

            How do you prevent people from promoting corruption and making role models of the corrupt?

            We live in a corrupted society, i think the starting point would be to fix education (which is already “enforced”) in such a way that it doesn’t promote corruption of any sort