That last paragraph about ~“we voted maga … we want the illegals gone … never thought the leopards would victimize myyyyy immigrant” sounds so on-the-nose and oblivious that it makes it sound like a badly written fake.
But as a white USian from a conservative family, and especially during this wonderful holiday time of year, I know in my heart that I am not-too-distantly related to people who are every bit that ignorant about the world.
Yeah I know that. The error of conflating the two was not mine.
The underlying point – and I’m going to explain it because it is often left unsaid on lemmy and serves as the basis for sarcasm – is that the motive for kicking all the “illegals” out of the country comes from a place of hate, ignorance, and fear rather than some kind of rule of law purity.
That’s why it gets pointed out in an “I told you so” fashion when somebody in favor of short circuiting due process for “violent illegals” loses their legal immigrant spouse or gets their own US Citizen ass whisked away to another continent.
If it were about the law, they wouldn’t want to circumvent the law to hurt the “others” faster.
aside: it sucks that every time I use an em dash in a comment it makes me wonder if people will think I use some LLM crap to compose internet comments for 17 people to read, lol
Possibly. There are problems caused by illegal immigration, as well as how America abuses legal immigrants. Just because I live in a place where multiculturalism is seen as a benefit to the community, doesnt mean everyone does.
I really dont think anyone expected how the trump admin is treating immigrants, but most right wing people won’t be exposed to any media that clues them in. Thats why we see people only realize after being personally affected.
All that said, when someone changes their mind from a worse position to a better one, we should be cheering them on, not insulting and laughing at them.
Nope, none. There are problems caused by authoritarian and heavy-handed immigration law (this is what the H1B and exploited farm workers stuff falls under), but illegal immigration itself? Absolutely not. There’s a reason the first two laws restricting immigration to the US were the Page Act and the Chinese Exclusion Act, both targeting East Asians specifically; this shit has always been about racism.
I really dont think anyone expected how the trump admin is treating immigrants,
Yeah no, plenty of people did. He literally promised to deport millions of them.
Well, maybe the fact you can’t see how other people have different lives and live under different systems, makes it hard for you to see other perspectives.
I’m perfectly willing to see other perspectives when they’re not bullshit. It just happens that this particular perspective is bullshit. In the words of many a rightwinger, facts don’t care about your feelings. Or mine, or anybody’s. If you want more proof, Democrats, which tend to be city dwellers and therefore more likely to interact with immigrants, are overwhelmingly pro-immigration.
Yes, people who are around immigrants and find a social benefit tend to promote immigration, while those who are around immigrants and see a social detriment will be against immigration.
Because you (I suspect intentionally) misread my reply. The people most likely to be around immigrants in the first place overwhelming support immigration.
people who are around immigrants and find a social benefit tend to promote immigration,
There’s a lot of these
while those who are around immigrants and see a social detriment will be against immigration.
That last paragraph about ~“we voted maga … we want the illegals gone … never thought the leopards would victimize myyyyy immigrant” sounds so on-the-nose and oblivious that it makes it sound like a badly written fake.
But as a white USian from a conservative family, and especially during this wonderful holiday time of year, I know in my heart that I am not-too-distantly related to people who are every bit that ignorant about the world.
Illegals and immigrants are different things. Its not fake its a person being honest about their situation and feelings.
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Yeah I know that. The error of conflating the two was not mine.
The underlying point – and I’m going to explain it because it is often left unsaid on lemmy and serves as the basis for sarcasm – is that the motive for kicking all the “illegals” out of the country comes from a place of hate, ignorance, and fear rather than some kind of rule of law purity.
That’s why it gets pointed out in an “I told you so” fashion when somebody in favor of short circuiting due process for “violent illegals” loses their legal immigrant spouse or gets their own US Citizen ass whisked away to another continent.
If it were about the law, they wouldn’t want to circumvent the law to hurt the “others” faster.
aside: it sucks that every time I use an em dash in a comment it makes me wonder if people will think I use some LLM crap to compose internet comments for 17 people to read, lol
Possibly. There are problems caused by illegal immigration, as well as how America abuses legal immigrants. Just because I live in a place where multiculturalism is seen as a benefit to the community, doesnt mean everyone does.
I really dont think anyone expected how the trump admin is treating immigrants, but most right wing people won’t be exposed to any media that clues them in. Thats why we see people only realize after being personally affected.
All that said, when someone changes their mind from a worse position to a better one, we should be cheering them on, not insulting and laughing at them.
Nope, none. There are problems caused by authoritarian and heavy-handed immigration law (this is what the H1B and exploited farm workers stuff falls under), but illegal immigration itself? Absolutely not. There’s a reason the first two laws restricting immigration to the US were the Page Act and the Chinese Exclusion Act, both targeting East Asians specifically; this shit has always been about racism.
Yeah no, plenty of people did. He literally promised to deport millions of them.
Well, maybe the fact you can’t see how other people have different lives and live under different systems, makes it hard for you to see other perspectives.
I’m perfectly willing to see other perspectives when they’re not bullshit. It just happens that this particular perspective is bullshit. In the words of many a rightwinger, facts don’t care about your feelings. Or mine, or anybody’s. If you want more proof, Democrats, which tend to be city dwellers and therefore more likely to interact with immigrants, are overwhelmingly pro-immigration.
Yes, people who are around immigrants and find a social benefit tend to promote immigration, while those who are around immigrants and see a social detriment will be against immigration.
Not sure what point you are making though.
Because you (I suspect intentionally) misread my reply. The people most likely to be around immigrants in the first place overwhelming support immigration.
There’s a lot of these
And not many of these.