I don’t think it amounted to nothing. I think the before and after of this event has completely and totally changed conversations I have. Previously if I so much as veered towards the very idea of harming property, let alone doing violence, I would have been met with intense pushback from “civility” liberals. Now though? It has become fringe to be against violence if ghouls clearly deserve it.
Has it achieved policy change? No. But has it affected the proletariat? 100% yes it has, it broke the obsession with non-violence and high-ground in the massive majority of people. I see that as a prerequisite to revolution. You can not perform violence without people supporting violence and catalyst events need to occur that push people onto that.
Similarly however, catalyst events can push people in the opposite direction too.
Every revolution has an adventurist phase. Going “uh aktually adventurism is bad” isn’t going to stop that phase from happening. The phases are nonviolence -> disorganized violence -> organized violence. The organizational phases of organized violence is paramilitary -> guerilla army -> conventional military -> nuclear power.
The key question is which you think is better at turning into organized violence: organized nonviolence or disorganized violence?
The key question is which you think is better at turning into organized violence: organized nonviolence or disorganized violence?
Eventually they synthesize when they each reach sufficient scale. Disorganized violence is inevitable, but solid organization must be consciously built.
Even if it means and amounts to nothing, it brought a lot of people a little bit of joy and gave us all a sense of community, of shared sentiment. For one brief second, we were united while the ruling class trembled. It won’t topple the bourgeoisie, but the working class shared something, and I think that’s kind of special.
All the “Get Organized” haters are vindicated because they have amounted to nothing or even set backs… Not every action brings about revolution or topples empires or changes policy in a bourgeois state etc.
Ridiculous take, because every win that has ever happened in history has happened because of folks who got organized. I mean plenty of unions had wins this year and every year, you think that’s just a coincidence?
All the adventurism haters pretty vindicated this year as all of the adventurism that happened amounted to literally nothing.
Get organized folks, random acts of individual violence are meaningless
I don’t think it amounted to nothing. I think the before and after of this event has completely and totally changed conversations I have. Previously if I so much as veered towards the very idea of harming property, let alone doing violence, I would have been met with intense pushback from “civility” liberals. Now though? It has become fringe to be against violence if ghouls clearly deserve it.
Has it achieved policy change? No. But has it affected the proletariat? 100% yes it has, it broke the obsession with non-violence and high-ground in the massive majority of people. I see that as a prerequisite to revolution. You can not perform violence without people supporting violence and catalyst events need to occur that push people onto that.
Similarly however, catalyst events can push people in the opposite direction too.
Every revolution has an adventurist phase. Going “uh aktually adventurism is bad” isn’t going to stop that phase from happening. The phases are nonviolence -> disorganized violence -> organized violence. The organizational phases of organized violence is paramilitary -> guerilla army -> conventional military -> nuclear power.
The key question is which you think is better at turning into organized violence: organized nonviolence or disorganized violence?
Eventually they synthesize when they each reach sufficient scale. Disorganized violence is inevitable, but solid organization must be consciously built.
counterpoint: random acts of individual violence, while meaningless, can be extremely funny
Even if it means and amounts to nothing, it brought a lot of people a little bit of joy and gave us all a sense of community, of shared sentiment. For one brief second, we were united while the ruling class trembled. It won’t topple the bourgeoisie, but the working class shared something, and I think that’s kind of special.
It amounted to brian Thompson being dead
and while not nearly enough to satisfy it was a meal i would have again
mmm… keep going…
All the “Get Organized” haters are vindicated because they have amounted to nothing or even set backs… Not every action brings about revolution or topples empires or changes policy in a bourgeois state etc.
Ridiculous take, because every win that has ever happened in history has happened because of folks who got organized. I mean plenty of unions had wins this year and every year, you think that’s just a coincidence?
yes