Honestly, I agree with @StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net

Ok fair enough, but I wouldn’t have installed Linux if I had not seen it recommended.

I’m not a computer toucher, but I can follow written advice.

These sorts of posts always scold anyone giving out actual solutions just so being miserable can continue. This cultural thing almost has an end of history type vibe to it. It’s also pretty hostile to divergent and often solution focused neurotypes.

Linux evangelism kinda makes sense, no one is spending billions on marketing and ads for it. I think Linux evangelists should ask about use cases first, instead of just posting a generic “use Linux”.

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    I mean sure it’s annoying to have the same solution yelled at you all the time when all you really want is to complain a little…

    But these people don’t complain a little. Like if I hear the same complaints constantly I’m going to try and offer a solution. If only to shut you up. These types just want you to listen to them complain forever and if you get annoyed at them for never solving their own problems you’re the asshole.

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    They only think we’re obnoxious for the same reasons they think vegans are obnoxious. Because we’re right.

    When I say “use linux” I’m not just saying “use linux”, I’m saying “use the GPL FOSS ecosystem of software, stop supporting the massive tech companies making all of computing actively worse”

    Especially since most of the time people aren’t complaining about windows being accidentally bad, but about windows being actively hostile to the user in a way FOSS will never be, lacking the profit motive.

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    Of course a dipshit kkkracker dudebro would say this.

    Tech treatlerites all the way down. Once they see their treats getting soggy they want to whine and complain without actually doing anything about it.

    I would tell these people to shut the fuck up. If X doesnt work then we have to fucking make it work. Its building a computing revolution youre not going to just have to “believe” in it.

    This whole “complaing about evangelizing” shit really pisses me the fuck off because its the same chud shit used against socialism, veganism and any other social revolution.

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      “Sometimes people want to complain about capitalism”

      “Stop evangelizing Marxism we just want to complain”

      See how annoying that sounds? Thats how all these treatlerites sound like.

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    Maybe they’re not a computer toucher

    yes, because this is an innate, likely genetic trait, you are born with, and not like, a skill you could acquire. It’s like I call an electrician every time I have to replace a lightbulb, I’m just not an electricity toucher.

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      ppl almost seem proud to make ignorance a core part of their identity, like its an unalterable genetic trait or something.

      Imagine a kid just being like: “nope, I could learn how to pee in the toilet, but I refuse to learn. I’m a kitchen-counter pisser and proud of it. Deal with it.”

      That’s almost the level of proudly ignorant stubborness from windows users.

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    They’re not a computer toucher

    Yes you are. There is no one in the modern world who does not regularly use a computer. That’s like saying “My car broke down, but I’m not a car toucher so I’m just going to complain instead of getting a new one.” Or “I’m not an appliance toucher and I don’t want to learn a new toaster so I’m just going to keep the one that smokes if it is set on 2.”

    This is not an excuse. Choosing to be ignorant is how you get mistakes like Windows 11 in the first place. So I will continue to proselytize Linux until people understand there is a better option and that they can demand better.

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      This, I don’t want to rag on anyone ranting, but at some point not learning a bit about the powerful devices that run many aspects of the world and your life and that you likely spend hours a day on is just incuriousness

      I’m not saying everyone needs to be 1337 haxx0r assembly coder, but knowing basic terms(I’m sure a lot of people here have done tech support for older family and become incredibly frustrated, and heard stuff like ‘what’s a folder?’ or referring to a browser as ‘the internet’) and how to trouble shoot should be common knowledge

  • Ok fair enough, but I wouldn’t have installed Linux if I had not seen it recommended.

    I’m not a computer toucher, but I can follow written advice.

    These sorts of posts always scold anyone giving out actual solutions just so being miserable can continue. This cultural thing almost has an end of history type vibe to it. It’s also pretty hostile to divergent and often solution focused neurotypes.

    • they did at my work earlier this year. our systems are locked down as hell, so I don’t get much ability to customize things or use tools to mitigate the raw experience of vanilla windows’ design.

      this did, however, give a big push to migrate my personal daily driver to bazzite Linux. because Win11 is a steaming pile of shit that is even worse than Win10, somehow. so i did that, and its been great.

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    2 months ago

    The issue with Linux is once you switch, you’re so impressed and happy with the OS that you turn into an evangelist overnight.

    But I agree it’s not as simple to just switch.