After the gestapo shot and killed Renee Nicole Good on January 7 during a fascist attack on Minneapolis, hegemonic media reacted by blaming Good for her death, saying it "was her own doing” and attacking her character by labeling her “a perpetrator” and “trained agitator.”

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      19 days ago

      Yes and no.

      Fascists delight in acting in bad faith and don’t actually believe half of what they claim to believe. For example, fascists often claim to be pro-free speech or that they love democracy. If I told you fascists weren’t really free speech advocates or pro-democracy, you would likely not cite the no true Scotsman fallacy.

      This being said, a lot of Christianity has been like this for a long time. So, meh.

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        You’re talking to a 49 year old German.

        When I was about 15 or 16, I once naïvely asked my grandmother why noone resisted Hitler. She got very angry, told me I knew nothing about the time, and how much good Hitler had done, and then told me to shut up.

        She suddenly turned from this loving person into a stubborn, old, bitter and aggressive woman, showed a side I had never seen of her. So she was a counter example to not one, but two of your claims:

        • She was a real believer in fascism, and remained that even decades after the catastrophe fascism had plunged Germany and the world into.
        • She emphatically was not pro free speech and would absolutely not tolerate me saying anything against her belief.

        And she was a woman who claimed to be of a strong Christian faith. I’m well aware that not all of her circumstances translate 100% to modern day America, however I’m still inclined to think that most American Christian fascists also truly believe in both fascism and Christianity, just like my grandmother did.

        In other words, I stand by what I said - “They are not christians” is a no true scotsman fallacy used to try and manufacture a distance between Christianity and fascism that does not exist. These people are both, Christians and fascists, and saying otherwise is a bad attempt to absolve religion.

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          19 days ago

          As I mentioned at the end of my comment:

          This being said, a lot of Christianity has been like this for a long time. So, meh.

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          16 days ago

          She emphatically was not pro free speech and would absolutely not tolerate me saying anything against her belief.

          The American Right has this weird dysfunction where they have right wing beliefs but also as is common on the Right put enormous importance into tradition and the national founding myth which for us includes a bunch of values that are otherwise contrary to Right Wing beliefs. So they have to pay lip service to Free Speech without really believing it. They frequently repeat phrases from the revolution like Freedom & Liberty then act uncomfortable with the reality of Liberty. Celebrate overthrowing our King but be happy when the President starts to accrue King like powers.

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      16 days ago

      You’re using the No True Scotsman Fallacy fallacy. Because Scotsman has a definition. There are people who are not Scotsmen. You can’t point at an Italian who’s lived in Rome their whole life, with no Scottish blood, relatives, or connection with Scotland in anyway and insist they are a Scotsman.