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Lol, I grew up Christian. There was a fairly common belief that people that did this were not true believers and that god would see through their lie. (Not that all death bed conversions were invalid to be clear, just ones done for the reason of living unchristian, then still getting the reward, while still not believing.)
Yeah if you’re doing it for social pressure that makes sense but if you’re like “maybe there’s an off chance this omniscient God thing is real” it seems fairly pointless
Im a militant atheist who can’t stop thinking about death. Too bad the terror of the unknowable void isn’t going to make me believe in shit I know isn’t real
You certainly can militantly oppose belief in the supernatural. Atheism doesn’t mean indifference, it describes a lack of belief in any god. How strongly one feels about atheism isn’t contained within the word atheism.
Anyway it’s splitting hairs because anti-theism is good and correct
The prefix A is indifference and the prefix anti is opposition. And if yall cant even care to be literate enough to articulate the position you think you hold, maybe rethink what you think you know. Its like the difference between asocial and antisocial. It makes no sense to say you are militantly asocial. No sense. But what do i expect? Westerners can’t read. Like western religions are pretty awful, but westerners act like they know everything while famously knowing nothing.
The term atheist has evolved beyond the roots of its components. It absolutely does not mean “indifferent to the idea of whether there is a god.” Linguistic prescriptivism is reactionary and cringe.
In real life, the difference between atheist and antitheist is “I don’t believe there is a god” and “I believe it’s bad for you to believe there is a god” which, again, are both correct positions
Sounds like it was pure social pressure. Otherwise he would have just cited the basardized version of Descartes’ argument religious people keep vomiting out.
I mean if he was a frothing protestant evangelical then it would lol. They straight up will tell you you could be a literal Demon incarnated in human skin for your entire life but the moment you say “sowwy fwor bwing a mweenie supply side jesus” with your literal dying breath you get a free ticket into heaven.
Yeah that’s what I was taught growing up. “Literally all that determines whether you get into Heaven and Hell is whether or not you are in a state of having accepted Jesus at the moment of your death.”
I thought catholics were basically like that except if you’re a death bed convert you might have to spend some time in the purgatory remedial class before they let you into heaven
Papists are a faith plus works = good sort of deal. Like an internal commitment to being a good little Christian can only be cultivated by actually putting in the material work of being a good little Christian, kind of like how communists say theory without practice is baseless in reality.
I think the deathbed conversion part may be an exception because if you genuinely get hit with the feelies but are no longer able-bodied, it’d be pretty unfair to get the door slammed in your face on your way out and not have a chance of at least bumbling through purgatory until you figure things out. Kinda goes with the story of the good thief that got nailed to the cross with Jesus and says “damn, I really fucked up, think they’ll let me in?” And getting hit with a “sure, bud” before he died.
That makes sense actually. You have to be sincere and if you’re sincere you’ll do what you can to help people, and for some people “what you can do” is pretty much nothing.
It still seems a little unnecessary though. You don’t think 10,000 years is enough time to atone for like 40 years of sin? Really evil neanderthals are still down there suffering and they deserve it? I don’t think I can get behind that.
(Idk if catholics believe in neanderthals but you get the point)
I think theres a whole “if you never were introduced to the faith and lived and died in complete ignorance to it you don’t get a catapulted straight to hell” thing.
he wasn’t Christian? Not that would make a difference in the afterlife.
In the linked video, his final message states that he converted due to the cost-benefit ratio and also to satisfy his Christian friends.
Lol, I grew up Christian. There was a fairly common belief that people that did this were not true believers and that god would see through their lie. (Not that all death bed conversions were invalid to be clear, just ones done for the reason of living unchristian, then still getting the reward, while still not believing.)
Yeah if you’re doing it for social pressure that makes sense but if you’re like “maybe there’s an off chance this omniscient God thing is real” it seems fairly pointless
It’s so funny when militant atheists find religion when they get old and actually start thinking about death.
Im a militant atheist who can’t stop thinking about death. Too bad the terror of the unknowable void isn’t going to make me believe in shit I know isn’t real
No such thing, just admit you’re an anti-theist pls. You cant be militantly indifferent to something lol
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You certainly can militantly oppose belief in the supernatural. Atheism doesn’t mean indifference, it describes a lack of belief in any god. How strongly one feels about atheism isn’t contained within the word atheism.
Anyway it’s splitting hairs because anti-theism is good and correct
The prefix A is indifference and the prefix anti is opposition. And if yall cant even care to be literate enough to articulate the position you think you hold, maybe rethink what you think you know. Its like the difference between asocial and antisocial. It makes no sense to say you are militantly asocial. No sense. But what do i expect? Westerners can’t read. Like western religions are pretty awful, but westerners act like they know everything while famously knowing nothing.
The term atheist has evolved beyond the roots of its components. It absolutely does not mean “indifferent to the idea of whether there is a god.” Linguistic prescriptivism is reactionary and cringe.
In real life, the difference between atheist and antitheist is “I don’t believe there is a god” and “I believe it’s bad for you to believe there is a god” which, again, are both correct positions
Slimy worm till the end. Huh.
Sounds like it was pure social pressure. Otherwise he would have just cited the basardized version of Descartes’ argument religious people keep vomiting out.
Pascal?
Oh right it was Pascal’s Wager. Hmm maybe it wasn’t a bastardized retelling.
Descartes might’ve had something a but more nuanced.
I mean if he was a frothing protestant evangelical then it would lol. They straight up will tell you you could be a literal Demon incarnated in human skin for your entire life but the moment you say
“sowwy fwor bwing a mweenie supply side jesus” with your literal dying breath you get a free ticket into heaven.
Yeah that’s what I was taught growing up. “Literally all that determines whether you get into Heaven and Hell is whether or not you are in a state of having accepted Jesus at the moment of your death.”
At least the Calvinists and the Catholics have more qualifiers for getting a ticket to your heavenly slice of pie in the sky, shit.
I thought catholics were basically like that except if you’re a death bed convert you might have to spend some time in the purgatory remedial class before they let you into heaven
Papists are a faith plus works = good sort of deal. Like an internal commitment to being a good little Christian can only be cultivated by actually putting in the material work of being a good little Christian, kind of like how communists say theory without practice is baseless in reality.
I think the deathbed conversion part may be an exception because if you genuinely get hit with the feelies but are no longer able-bodied, it’d be pretty unfair to get the door slammed in your face on your way out and not have a chance of at least bumbling through purgatory until you figure things out. Kinda goes with the story of the good thief that got nailed to the cross with Jesus and says “damn, I really fucked up, think they’ll let me in?” And getting hit with a “sure, bud” before he died.
That makes sense actually. You have to be sincere and if you’re sincere you’ll do what you can to help people, and for some people “what you can do” is pretty much nothing.
It still seems a little unnecessary though. You don’t think 10,000 years is enough time to atone for like 40 years of sin? Really evil neanderthals are still down there suffering and they deserve it? I don’t think I can get behind that.
(Idk if catholics believe in neanderthals but you get the point)
I think theres a whole “if you never were introduced to the faith and lived and died in complete ignorance to it you don’t get a catapulted straight to hell” thing.
Comrade Alaskaball, why do you have a scarlet A next to your name?
we brand our admins so they can’t hide their shame
Moo 🐄
It’s a lemmy symbol for “aubergine” because I am an aubergine enjoyer
Gross
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Fr*nch
fine, does brinjal work?