I dont know where OOP got that idea from. Americans were never for this and polling data bears that out, especially relative to most wars which have had extremely high levels of approval at the outset, even for ones like Vietnam and Iraq that later became massively unpopular.
If you look at Trump’s approval rating, it only really starts to move when gas prices move. Also historically. I think it is quite obvious where OP got their idea from.
You talk like any one of those things is easy. The Soviets citizenry pretty definitively hated Moscow in many places, didn’t mean they could just go and kill Stalin. The police state or army would simply crush them, or must I remind what happened to the Hungarians and Czechs? It’s the same principle, even if all of California came to the unanimous agreement to overthrow the feds it would at best weaken the feds temporarily.
The problem isnt just Trump, it isnt just Congress, it isn’t just the courts, it’s the whole damned system. Interstate commerce, national political organizations, the pathetic pan American culture, and the thrive damned Bible thumpers. For this shit to be dealt with in any meaningful way the US needs to lose 20 states minimum, ideally total dissolving of the Union so no revanchistic assholes can leverage history. For either of these to happen the economy needs to collapse in near totality and the feds need to lose all ligitimacy for the simple fact that even doing one of your proposed ideas would see civil war start, for success to be possible the military itself needs to be incapable of purchasing jack or shit for loyalty due to currency collapse.
Electoralism is an important tool and youre a fool to dismiss it so callously. While the feds may be a failure long term it is still useful to vote if only to deny the worst aspects of this failing system, it is also imperative that the local and state governments are if not friendly then at least non-hostile to the various factions of the left.
As loathesome as the Bolsheviks were one of the reasons for their success was the capture and befriendment of various local officials. It allowed them to move freely and openly where the Tzarists were slowed or even stopped by locals. Same principle the capture of city councils and ideally the states would allow the raising of militia not bound to the feds.
The walls may be falling, the roof leaking, and the ground floor covered in sewage but the foundations are made of granite and concrete which will outlast the rest of the house. You’d be a fool to try to build in the swamp next door when a perfectly fine foundation sits ripe for the taking.
Oh no the college is right fucked. But everything else as I said state and local? Better to use it to strengthen our own power, but that just may be the Norman in me talking. How I wish to harrow the Mormons.
I dont know where OOP got that idea from. Americans were never for this and polling data bears that out, especially relative to most wars which have had extremely high levels of approval at the outset, even for ones like Vietnam and Iraq that later became massively unpopular.
when thousands of lives are on the line, it takes more than polling to convince people you stand for something
If you look at Trump’s approval rating, it only really starts to move when gas prices move. Also historically. I think it is quite obvious where OP got their idea from.
So did Americans already impeach their oppressor?
Are the deathcamps demolished?
Are the panoptics destroyed?
You talk like any one of those things is easy. The Soviets citizenry pretty definitively hated Moscow in many places, didn’t mean they could just go and kill Stalin. The police state or army would simply crush them, or must I remind what happened to the Hungarians and Czechs? It’s the same principle, even if all of California came to the unanimous agreement to overthrow the feds it would at best weaken the feds temporarily.
The problem isnt just Trump, it isnt just Congress, it isn’t just the courts, it’s the whole damned system. Interstate commerce, national political organizations, the pathetic pan American culture, and the thrive damned Bible thumpers. For this shit to be dealt with in any meaningful way the US needs to lose 20 states minimum, ideally total dissolving of the Union so no revanchistic assholes can leverage history. For either of these to happen the economy needs to collapse in near totality and the feds need to lose all ligitimacy for the simple fact that even doing one of your proposed ideas would see civil war start, for success to be possible the military itself needs to be incapable of purchasing jack or shit for loyalty due to currency collapse.
Comrade, I am exactly pointing out that ⅔ of the 🇺🇲population actively comply with their oppressions.
Nowhere am I suggesting that direct action is easy. It’s just ⅔ directly comply with electoralists.
Electoralism is an important tool and youre a fool to dismiss it so callously. While the feds may be a failure long term it is still useful to vote if only to deny the worst aspects of this failing system, it is also imperative that the local and state governments are if not friendly then at least non-hostile to the various factions of the left.
As loathesome as the Bolsheviks were one of the reasons for their success was the capture and befriendment of various local officials. It allowed them to move freely and openly where the Tzarists were slowed or even stopped by locals. Same principle the capture of city councils and ideally the states would allow the raising of militia not bound to the feds.
The walls may be falling, the roof leaking, and the ground floor covered in sewage but the foundations are made of granite and concrete which will outlast the rest of the house. You’d be a fool to try to build in the swamp next door when a perfectly fine foundation sits ripe for the taking.
And I can stop reading your authoritarian praxis.
l8r bikesheder.
Oh no the college is right fucked. But everything else as I said state and local? Better to use it to strengthen our own power, but that just may be the Norman in me talking. How I wish to harrow the Mormons.
I didn’t stutter.
Neither did I.
But its in meme form! It has to be true!