Shadow of the Erdtree came relatively early and plenty of people got their panties in a bunch because some of it contradicts by then firmly established fanon. These gaps have been filled for decades.
You act like soul games have a coherent story. Its mostly broken up pieces of lore that people cant take with a 100 percent certainty. So that get pieced together by some.
Holy fuck, thank you for saying this. Every single time someone talks about the lore of Dark Souls or Elden Ring or whatever the fuck else I’m sitting here, screaming in my mind “what fucking story.”
I read online that Miyazaki was a huge fan of western fantasy (why all the Souls games are all medieval fantasy with dragons and knights and shit), but coming from a Japanese background he didn’t really understand all the stories and details at first; he basically was just drawn to the “rule of cool” with medieval fantasy, and he wanted to emulate that disjointed feeling when you play his games.
I think the problem then becomes, there’s usually another equally big nerd who has been beefing for the past 15 years with the nerd you hired about the interpretation of some minor aspect of the lore that wasn’t fully explained, and each of them have a legion of weird followers who will immediately declare war on you and start sending death threats the instant you show preference to one side over the other, even if you do it unwittingly.
I do think that the over-emphasis of lore in media as important detracts somewhat from the thematic and narrative content. In some cases, I think it borders on illiteracy.
I guess whether hiring one is a solution or not just depends on how insufferable he finds listening to these people.
At the end of the day, art is art and art is usually made with some kind of message in mind. “Lore” doesn’t always include that message, so I agree. “Needing” to stick to lore 100% does detract from the overall message or theme of the work.
I don’t mean to attack lore as a concept, by the way. Lore is art all the same.
I just don’t like the way that some people hyperfixate on it so much that an artist trying to do something new, risky, or interesting becomes basically impossible.
People will get stuck on details so much that they end up choking their favorite works to death without even realizing it. As a broad example, I would point to Star Wars.
You know, I was dragged into seeing episode 9 against my will (I was fine with it), and that movie, like… actually pissed me off. I was legit getting whiplash from all the location changes.
I mean, it’s a fair criticism/thought to have imo. Nerds can be absolutely insufferable if something isn’t 100% according to lore.
Plus there can be conflicting lore or fan canon that is preferred
Shadow of the Erdtree came relatively early and plenty of people got their panties in a bunch because some of it contradicts by then firmly established fanon. These gaps have been filled for decades.
You act like soul games have a coherent story. Its mostly broken up pieces of lore that people cant take with a 100 percent certainty. So that get pieced together by some.
Holy fuck, thank you for saying this. Every single time someone talks about the lore of Dark Souls or Elden Ring or whatever the fuck else I’m sitting here, screaming in my mind “what fucking story.”
I read online that Miyazaki was a huge fan of western fantasy (why all the Souls games are all medieval fantasy with dragons and knights and shit), but coming from a Japanese background he didn’t really understand all the stories and details at first; he basically was just drawn to the “rule of cool” with medieval fantasy, and he wanted to emulate that disjointed feeling when you play his games.
That all could be entirely wrong though.
When working with existing lore they should hire one of those nerds who can advise them. Pretty simple.
I think the problem then becomes, there’s usually another equally big nerd who has been beefing for the past 15 years with the nerd you hired about the interpretation of some minor aspect of the lore that wasn’t fully explained, and each of them have a legion of weird followers who will immediately declare war on you and start sending death threats the instant you show preference to one side over the other, even if you do it unwittingly.
It’d better than complete disregard like they do with many IPs. Like the witcher TV series for example.
Uhh, maybe.
I do think that the over-emphasis of lore in media as important detracts somewhat from the thematic and narrative content. In some cases, I think it borders on illiteracy.
I guess whether hiring one is a solution or not just depends on how insufferable he finds listening to these people.
At the end of the day, art is art and art is usually made with some kind of message in mind. “Lore” doesn’t always include that message, so I agree. “Needing” to stick to lore 100% does detract from the overall message or theme of the work.
Yeah.
I don’t mean to attack lore as a concept, by the way. Lore is art all the same.
I just don’t like the way that some people hyperfixate on it so much that an artist trying to do something new, risky, or interesting becomes basically impossible.
People will get stuck on details so much that they end up choking their favorite works to death without even realizing it. As a broad example, I would point to Star Wars.
I was thinking Star Wars even before you mentioned it.
Hahaha, of course.
You know, I was dragged into seeing episode 9 against my will (I was fine with it), and that movie, like… actually pissed me off. I was legit getting whiplash from all the location changes.
It was when they asked Rose to go with them that I realized JJ did this specifically to spite Rian Johnson