I read history books. It doesn’t start with death camps. It starts with little things like making people different. It starts with colored arm bands. The initial camps in Nazi Germany, such as Dachau, were established shortly after Hitler came to power in 1933, primarily to detain political opponents like communists and social democrats. These camps quickly evolved into a broader system for imprisoning various groups deemed undesirable by the Nazi regime, including Jews, Roma, and others.
I dont know the source of the picture, but I assume the picture is at least from the later years of the Regime, after the Wannsee Conference. So the author of the post ist obviously refering to death camps and the holocaust and not the German concentration camps from the early years. I mean, someone else replied with a fucking joke refering to sprinklers.
Concentration Camps in general werent that uncommen in western countries. Sure, as far as I know Germany “invented” the modern Concentration Camp System, but that was for the Herero Genocide in 1904. But to some point, many countries had something similar. At least in their colonies. Because fucking up foreign ethnic groups was and still is a western speciality.
And if you want a (in my opinion) better comparison for the ICE Camps, you dont have to look far away from the USA. Take something like the Detainee Camps for Japanese originated People in the US during WW2, something newer, like Guantanamo Bay or all the other fucked up CIA- and War-Prisons-torture-Camps from the past 70 years.
But please, please, please - comparing something like the ICE-Camps to the by far most abominable crime in all human history is in my opinion wrong. And many experts think likewise. If you are interested, i can look up material for this.
Comparison:
People used to be normally working people one day. The next day they are beaten up, pulled far from family and imprisoned for no good reason other than existing. Are they being actively murdered in mass, no. Are they being stripped naked and worked til death no. Can they now go home? No. Is being imprisoned without any allowed contact or ability to defend they point of view similar to being imprisoned without any allowed contact with the purpose of eventually being murdered? Yeah, I can see that. If you don’t tell me when I might eventually gain my freedom, that’s similar to never gaining my freedom.
I don’t even know where to start to tell you, but the stories of the freed Jews from the Nazi camps did come with a purpose and request to learn from them to never let it happen again. Me, I’m okay with knowing that there are normal prisons for criminals. That’s borderline okay. Acceptable for our level of intelligence. But a prison for those who you do not like is basically what they asked us to not repeat. So using that comparison is for the correct purpose.
And why not?
It’s a valid warning for how it could turn out.
They are following the same principles of gradually implementing fascism, the tactics of ‘death by a thousand cuts’.
Is it too confronting?
Does it ruin the future ‘Wir haben es nicht gewußt’ excuse to use another comparison?
What does it take for americans to get off their ass and do more than complain online, make edgy signs for their lame No Kings walks,etc…
Shameful and pathetic.
Bro you use the nazi name for it, if you wanna respect the victims call it the Shoah. (Holocaust meant a mass offering of burnt animals to the gods, it’s not actually a negative term, the nazis were proud to call it holocaust)
First of all - The Nazis called it “Endlösung” (Final Solution), “Die Judenfrage” (the Question about the Jews) or other likewise Euphemism.
Holocaust was used for the killing of people since medieval times and genocide since the Armenian genocide.
I know the naming is complicated, but as far as I remeber, using the term holocaust for the killing of all the people, and not only Jews, is more correct.
Because otherwise, other groups like the queer, the Sinti and the Roma are much likly forgotten.
In my opinion, its hard to find a suitable word for this abomination.
Some speeches in Germany I heard refering to it, talked around the word or said things like the million timed killing of people and families, but even this leaves alot out of this atrocity.
And by my effort to make a short reference to a complex topic, I use holocaust.
But if you have something better, please tell me.
I see your point, and why sometimes its usefull to make drastic comparisons …
But please, dont compare the holocaust to ICE Camps.
I read history books. It doesn’t start with death camps. It starts with little things like making people different. It starts with colored arm bands. The initial camps in Nazi Germany, such as Dachau, were established shortly after Hitler came to power in 1933, primarily to detain political opponents like communists and social democrats. These camps quickly evolved into a broader system for imprisoning various groups deemed undesirable by the Nazi regime, including Jews, Roma, and others.
I dont know the source of the picture, but I assume the picture is at least from the later years of the Regime, after the Wannsee Conference. So the author of the post ist obviously refering to death camps and the holocaust and not the German concentration camps from the early years. I mean, someone else replied with a fucking joke refering to sprinklers.
Concentration Camps in general werent that uncommen in western countries. Sure, as far as I know Germany “invented” the modern Concentration Camp System, but that was for the Herero Genocide in 1904. But to some point, many countries had something similar. At least in their colonies. Because fucking up foreign ethnic groups was and still is a western speciality.
And if you want a (in my opinion) better comparison for the ICE Camps, you dont have to look far away from the USA. Take something like the Detainee Camps for Japanese originated People in the US during WW2, something newer, like Guantanamo Bay or all the other fucked up CIA- and War-Prisons-torture-Camps from the past 70 years.
But please, please, please - comparing something like the ICE-Camps to the by far most abominable crime in all human history is in my opinion wrong. And many experts think likewise. If you are interested, i can look up material for this.
Comparison: People used to be normally working people one day. The next day they are beaten up, pulled far from family and imprisoned for no good reason other than existing. Are they being actively murdered in mass, no. Are they being stripped naked and worked til death no. Can they now go home? No. Is being imprisoned without any allowed contact or ability to defend they point of view similar to being imprisoned without any allowed contact with the purpose of eventually being murdered? Yeah, I can see that. If you don’t tell me when I might eventually gain my freedom, that’s similar to never gaining my freedom.
I don’t even know where to start to tell you, but the stories of the freed Jews from the Nazi camps did come with a purpose and request to learn from them to never let it happen again. Me, I’m okay with knowing that there are normal prisons for criminals. That’s borderline okay. Acceptable for our level of intelligence. But a prison for those who you do not like is basically what they asked us to not repeat. So using that comparison is for the correct purpose.
And why not?
It’s a valid warning for how it could turn out.
They are following the same principles of gradually implementing fascism, the tactics of ‘death by a thousand cuts’.
Is it too confronting?
Does it ruin the future ‘Wir haben es nicht gewußt’ excuse to use another comparison?
What does it take for americans to get off their ass and do more than complain online, make edgy signs for their lame No Kings walks,etc…
Shameful and pathetic.
Bro you use the nazi name for it, if you wanna respect the victims call it the Shoah. (Holocaust meant a mass offering of burnt animals to the gods, it’s not actually a negative term, the nazis were proud to call it holocaust)
First of all - The Nazis called it “Endlösung” (Final Solution), “Die Judenfrage” (the Question about the Jews) or other likewise Euphemism.
Holocaust was used for the killing of people since medieval times and genocide since the Armenian genocide.
I know the naming is complicated, but as far as I remeber, using the term holocaust for the killing of all the people, and not only Jews, is more correct. Because otherwise, other groups like the queer, the Sinti and the Roma are much likly forgotten.
In my opinion, its hard to find a suitable word for this abomination. Some speeches in Germany I heard refering to it, talked around the word or said things like the million timed killing of people and families, but even this leaves alot out of this atrocity. And by my effort to make a short reference to a complex topic, I use holocaust. But if you have something better, please tell me.