I’ve been on Lemmy for about 2 weeks now, and I’ve noticed a trend:
The VAST majority of posts that mention AI in any manner are some dig or criticism or some other negative commentary, and the rare ones that have anything positive to say about it almost always have negative whatever-Lemmy’s-version-of-karma-is.
I get that AI isn’t without its problems, especially Grok with that “Mechahitler” nonsense a bit ago, but there seems to be particular vitriol here. I’m genuinely curious to know why people hate it so much here.
This is not a direct answer to your question.
I’ve heard 2 really great takes about LLMs & GenAI, that have stayed with me - though I don’t have the best wording for them anymore.
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As AI is trained on previously created data, it fundamentally looks backwards. Human creativity creates new things and inherently looks to the future.
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AI is trained on the vast corpus of human works and synthesizes that info into a median response. You will never get exciting and bold insights, just bland and inoffensive responses.
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First, you made that classic blunder. You wrote “AI” without defining it, as if it was meaningful. We always see people do bait-and-switch arguments surrounding this topic. Always. So, if you want a meaningful answer, you need to actually provide a definition…
Are you asking why people hate ChatGPT? If so, you should ask that.
Second, you made a mistake. You think people hate AI when the hate is reserved for the assholes getting rich by fucking us all over as they destroy our communities, clean water, and affordable electricity. Remember, it’s the people who do horrible things who need to be stopped.
Because it’s built on the creative collective works of everything that’s ever been put on the Internet with no attribution or compensation for people who’s authored works were stolen. Maybe that’s why?
I don’t see why that’s an issue. Creatives won’t even have to make anything creative anymore, AI can just be used to make things the they would have. That will save them so much time, enough that they can go do cheap labor for 18 hours of the day, like a good slave.
I like computers and now can’t easily afford to do the projects I’m interested in. I get very little value from AI and it destroyed my hobby. It also is a massive bubble that will hurt the majority of the world once it pops. It’s dumb.
You’re describing the effects of data centers, not AI. AI doesn’t change the prices on computer components, nor is it in any way a bubble. I think you’re describing corporations buying up components for their data centers, which they intend to use for AI, but that isn’t attributable to AI itself. It’s like saying authors are to blame for trees being cut down to make paper - completely ignoring that books can be digital.
AI training needs data centers. The companies wouldn’t be buying up components without this gold rush.
And books need paper. Trees wouldn’t be cut down if authors quit writing. Therefore, AI and authors are evil.
(You can train AI without data centers and you can write books without printing them.)
Game communities I used to love browsing have become inundated with low-effort, vibe-coded crapware. It’s now 20 times harder to find anything good. Hardware is 20 times more expensive. My insurance company is using AI to deny me medical help. A skill I spent 25 years developing suddenly is full of morons who think they know as much as I do because they can have Claude vomit out something resembling software.
There is A LOT to hate.
A skill I spent 25 years developing suddenly is full of morons who think they know as much as I do because they can have Claude vomit out something resembling software.
Gosh yes.
very confident morons with fucking hammers
Because we’re mostly not bots.
Not yet, but I’m sure AI bros will find a way to mass register bots here. I already reported lots of people who had a distinct AI writing style. Over time it will be harder to distinguish those from real users 😓
I’m on Lemmy because I’m anti capitalist and generally support progressive policies such as circular economic practices and sustainability. I’m against AI because it goes against everything I mentioned. The gains aren’t worth the cost.
You do realize that the vast majority of people hate LLMs right? They are power, water resource hungry worthless things that have yet to prove any worth to the human race.
Instead of staring at a bug for six hours until I have a literal panic attack, I can ask copilot for help after I can’t find a solution after an hour.
It helped my autistic ass get back to my hobby and love. But I am looking into switching to a local llm instead of one from the data center.
I mean, take your pick. This is a place where a lot of us…
- are leftists who disagree with extractive, anti-human economic systems
- left Reddit because they insisted on controlling how people could connect to each others ideas
- like the open collaboration of open source, which is getting wrecked by AI
- like open access communities like wikipedia, which are also getting undermined by AI
- dislike copyright law, which is being selectively ignored here because the people violating it are rich (on paper)
- are marginalized people, who tend to be disproportionately effected by AI decision-making
The penultimate one makes no sense though. Also, most of the items in your list are not really about AI, they are about capitalism.
And who owns the giant public AIs that are doing all the damage? Capitalists.
You won’t find nearly as many people in here shitting on running a local version of some small model in your own house to take care of your own needs. Obviously somebody’s going to complain because somebody will complain about fucking everything…
But all of the capture and devour capitalism is at the heart of every public AI right now.
Of course. But then the issue is not AI is it? It’s like always capitalism. Like the first ever AI research and development happened in the USSR. They hoped that by striving to create intelligence/consciousness we would learn more about ourselves and what it even means to be intelligent and conscious.
AI is not evil, it’s not bad or destroying the world. Capitalism is destroying the world.
What they are calling AI is not evil in itself. But it is being used as a weapon against the environment, artists, progress, education, and internet discourse. That is where the hate comes from.
I mean, what they are calling AI quite literally isn’t AI
That is why I used those words ;)
Lol
Why are people pretending all those issue appeared with AI? You think the environment would be less fucked without AI? Artists? Education?
It’s like people complaining about smartphones making kids depressed. Like growing up during an apocalypse wouldn’t be the main cause? Perhaps?
These are the results of the long sharp road of capitalism. With or without “AI” we would be fucked.
Literally yes to all of your stupid questions. Any others?
nobody is saying these attacks are solely caused by AI. but shoehorning it into every place of work , every classroom, every TV set and youtube video is making things worse.
Nobody was running dozens of fucking diesel and natural gas generators to keep their minecraft server up, you fucking potato.
Ai:
- ruins the planet by polution
- is used to influence political discourse, erase facts and history.
- is a tool brought to you by people who at the very least don’t want the masses to be free (look up palantir owner)
- is being pushed with the end goals to have a tool of mass surveillance and control.
- makes people abandon their ability to think critically (or in general really)
- is used to violate copyrights by it’s very design. If you think artists have been undervalued so far just you wait. They don’t want creative people anymore.
Take your pick, it’s war and you’re in it.
ruins the planet by polution
AI on its own doesn’t ruin the planet or cause pollution, if corporations are ruining the planet to train AI models the issue is corporations not AI
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When people say “AI,” I assume they are talking about the large corporate Neural Networks that get branded as “AI” for marketing purposes.
I hate these because they’re a grift. They’re funded and maintained by a handful of ultra-rich idiots who saw no value in learning social sciences nor the humanities, and thus have failed to learn from history. The people pushing for mass adoption believe in a variety of unscientific pseudo-religious conspiracy beliefs about AI gods and devils leading humanity.
I hate that the cost of these cults are being foisted onto the rest of society by way of government and corporate contracts.
I hate that mass media is rapidly degrading in quality in order to justify the purchase of said contracts.
I hate that the people making important decisions that affect my life and well-being — doctors, the people who develop my software, my government representatives, news reporters, lawyers — are not just willing, but actively excited at the prospect of turning off their brains and letting black boxes controlled by opaque corporations make the decisions for them.
I hate that despite 3+ years of hype and 10+ years of public access, the only people who have demonstrably benefitted from it are Nvidia, scammers, and people who don’t want to use their brain.
But mostly, and this is the clincher, I hate that we are literally destroying the earth to run these machines. Even if every other problem disappeared overnight, this should be an argument killer. We only get one home, and we are setting fire to it. I don’t care if it improves the lives of millions of humans, because it is hastening the death of hundreds of billions of lifeforms.
I hate that people ignore this or conveniently forget it or are just apathetic about it. I hate that this argument just carries little to no weight for most fence-sitters. I hate that people treat feeling emotional about the destruction of our only home as being irrational. I hate ecoterrorism being excused by marketing babble and shitty faux-skeptical wishy-washiness.
There’s a variety of reasons, but the biggest is that Lemmy as a whole is FAR more class-conscious than the average populace, or even that average internet user, and generative AI has been developed by the wealthy and powerful, as a tool to oppress everyone else.
Using ai to make it solve complex problems, analyse things and summarise objective outcomes is fantastic.
Unfortunately making it slop out is easier and TikTok-brained people are keen on making it poop slop. That’s why the consumer level ai makes me bit grossed out as well.
Its a tool. Great tool. Like photoshop and excel. But it can be also abused to steal, manipulate and destroy what have been built so far by humanity in seconds.
And the second one just makes it even worse this invention is made by Americans so “it has to be profitable” cancer all over it. That’s why it sucks now. Its capitalism driven not humanity. Even open ai changed to for profit “for undisclosed reasons”. The thing doesn’t work now unless you throw lots of bucks on it.
Its going to be better and way more useful at some point. But not anytime near until America’s upcoming economical crash. American capitalism is one of the worst thing happened to human kind and until its controlled nothing ever coming out from country is going to be beneficial to human kind. That’s why it sucks big time now.
Why are there so many people on Lemmy asking this same question over and over again. This has got to get over ten now in the last week.
Because /fuck_ai exists
i don’t particularly enjoy having to constantly question what’s real and what isn’t anymore.
i don’t particularly enjoy having humanity’s well of information undermined by disinformation factories.
i don’t particularly enjoy every space i had to express myself creatively and experience others expressing themselves creatively being drowned out in mass-produced incoherent slop that i cannot possibly connect with.
i don’t particularly enjoy that climate change has now been rapidly accelerated for the sake of a tool that’s completely unreliable at doing anything it’s marketed to do and has done irreversible damage to the very fabric of our society.
do you?
Yeah, that’s capitalism for ya.
We need a revolution.
