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A fraternal society that played a part in the enlightenment era and elitism before the 21 century, but has since gone downhill and only exists as a gathering for elderly people.
Masonic traditions were plagiarized by Greek Life, Mormons, and occultists like the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. And so Freemasonism played a part in Western esotericism.
A rogue Masonic church was part of the Italian Gladio and was called Propaganda Due or P2.
Broadly right lol
A fraternal society that played a part in the enlightenment era and elitism before the 21 century, but has since gone downhill and only exists as a gathering for elderly people.
Historically, Freemasons played a role in both right-wing and left-wing movements, depending on the time and place. In the Paris Commune, 25 of the 79 elected Commune members were masons. We have some lads in their 30s, but it’s definitely an old group on average. And time-in-the-order correlates with seniority so old ones often feel respected and that’s nice to have when you are old.
A rogue Masonic church was part of the Italian Gladio and was called Propaganda Due or P2.
I believe P2 was a regular lodge not rogue.
Citing Bakunin,
The Paris Commune lasted too short a time, and its internal development was too hampered by the mortal struggle it had to engage in against the Versailles reaction to allow it at least to formulate, if not apply, its socialist program theoretically. We must realize, too, that the majority of the members of the Commune were not socialists, properly speaking. If they appeared to be, it was because they were drawn in this direction by the irresistible course of events, the nature of the situation, the necessities of their position, rather than through personal conviction. The socialists were a tiny minority – there were, at most, fourteen or fifteen of them; the rest were Jacobins.[…]
I think this text is interesting because it shows how influential the socialists were at the time and how important was swaying other non-socislist strata to their side. We claim today the Paris commune as the first socialist revolution, but it was never commanded by a socialist majority.
I did not know about the Paris Commune part, interesting if it is true. Paris Commune battled the Catholic Church although this does not mean there were not some theists. Although I believe you have to believe in a higher power to be a freemason although you could probably prove me wrong if I am wrong about that. Socialists and Communist are not generally theistic although historically this was less the case with socialists and social democrats.
You are right they were a regular lodge and were declared “rogue” by Masonic higher officials after their activities were found out about.
Although I believe you have to believe in a higher power to be a freemason although you could probably prove me wrong if I am wrong about that.
Sortof wrong. It’s a relic of the past, and the order maintains traditions. In practice nobody cares about your religion in the modern world, including in Freemasonry. I said, “We interview people who’ve applied to join the order to make sure they’re suitable” and when we’re doing that we are obliged by the rules to say, “Do you believe in god yes or no” but the scrutineers say it with a bored look like something they have to say.
It was basically a club for well-off men for LARP and networking.
mainly the networking part
people join fraternities and other cults because they have people ensconced in many high and medium places, so to speak
I can assure you, while lower degrees are as you imagine, highest degrees are not, and it serves none of us to think so.
In line with a certain Chairman, I would strongly exhort thorough, exhaustive investigation, including of side quest rabbit holes that superficially only tangentially related.
Weirdo cult for rich men to make themselves feel important because their lives were too boring otherwise.
yeah
I have working class guys in my lodge, taxi drivers and construction workers
Interesting. Every time I hear of Masons the members always turn out to be sheriffs, landlords, small business owners, etc.
I have a friend from college who is a freemason. He was working-class, like the rest of us. As far as I know, since I never delved much in this subject, there are freemasons from all spheres, such as military officers, small business owners, workers, capitalists, intellectuals etc. I’ve seen a Masonic Lodge even in my wife’s poor small town in Brazil.
What I think about Freemasons and all the secret societies like the Jacobins, is that many of them have seen their glory days during the 18th and 19th century, a time when a bourgeois class was ascending in power and they needed a way to organize politically since the monarchies in Europe were very repressive. I think from the end of the 19th century onward, most of these secret societies were superseded by actual political parties. Our ML (and variants) bros are the new Jacobins, Freemasons etc. I mean, those still exist but don’t exert influence society as they did before.
I would think it largely depends on location and opportunity. I’m my rural area, members can be lawyers, small family farmers, and anything between.
yeah
Some dumb cult.
I am a Freemason. AMA
We have regular monthly meetings plus sometimes ‘emergency meetings’ (it just means outside of the normal monthly schedule).
What we do mostly at the meetings is initiate candidates in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree. Then there’s also barbeques and social gatherings. Then all of this must be planned, which means administrative work must be done, meetings to make sure everything runs smoothly. If takes 7 officers to conduct a degree ceremony, and they all must know their lines, so there’s a bit of planning required.
We interview people who’ve applied to join the order to make sure they’re suitable.
Shriners and the 33°, beyond hospitals and good works?
Masons run the gamut of the political spectrum, but those with notable power seem really anticomunist. Truman, for example.
A lot of Masons were Golden Dawn and other occult societies, which again runs the gamut of the political spectrum, but again those with real power and status seem anticommunist.
Shriners and the 33°, beyond hospitals and good works?
I’m not a Shriner so I don’t have any knowledge on this besides what everyone knows.
Masons run the gamut of the political spectrum, but those with notable power seem really anticomunist. Truman, for example.
agree
What kind of occultist practices does Freemason have? Do they have any elements of Alchemy, Hermeticism, Kabbalah, Paganism, Hinduism, Buddhism, or is it mainly it’s own version of mysticism?
They take an oath of secrecy.
Saying that freemason borrows elements from other places does not inherently divulge the “secret” knowledge of freemasonry. Although there is not much if any secret knowledge the freemasons have left since most if not all of their knowledge is already talked about on the internet.
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The Scottish Rite of Freemasony originally allegedly, although official records state 1801, claim medieval roots (and I’m not sure if it were them as well as occult orders, or just occult orders that claimed roots in the Knights Templars, and, if he was a real person later elevated to godhood, Hermes Trismigistus, and various other legendary/fictitious persons, although that part may be entirely fabricated, regardless of who claims it). They began as a guild of stone masons, who, because of their knowledge (higher mathematical principals, reading, writing, ability to envision a finished structure where only raw land existed), skill, precision, attention to detail, short supply and high demand of skilled workers, were not bound to a piece of land or serfdom or lord. They could survey land, tell whether it was suitable for a desired project, plan (blueprint) it, choose the correct stone, cut it to precision, stack it, seal removed* and leaks. They came and went wherever they chose and could afford, by virtue of these abilities.
Eventually workers from other guilds were allowed to join. It is said those who planned the United States and other revolutions were members of this and various occult societies, thus mystical symbology on dollar bills, at Washington DC (which is said to be placed along ley lines, and various monuments, from stone chosen to shape and dimensions), as well as Notre Dame, the Prague cathedrals, and other historic sites), additional prominent figures such as Mozart, although he was poor (The Magic Flute was about Hungarian political turmoil). Their members have given us classical music, opera and other theatre, architecture, good schools for the wealthy and poor alike, various other things like free children’s hospitals, that most societies find desirable and detestable, including politicians.
When I was a young child, I didn’t give them much thought, then I hated them, then I romanticized them. Now I have a fuller, more realistic perspective. With apologies to Chris Hedges for stealing and reworking one of his famous lines, “Fraternities make a good man good and a bad man bad.” I have family members and friends of each type and various types in between.
This is, of course, not a comprehensive history and I have other knowledge and thoughts which I reserve for myself, for reasons. I’ve spent countless hours learning about them, their members, for several years, and still barely scratch the surface. There are lectures and books by knowledgeable and reputable people, if you really want to know more. Some of those people over-romanticize the order. They used to have a general knowledge fact sheet on their website, that probably went into less detail, but it was still fairly interesting. I’m not sure if it’s still up.
I always thought it a pity they don’t admit women but to the Eastern Star, because they’ve missed the extraordinary intellect and service of many brilliant women that other secret societies admitted and at least ostensibly respected.
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