I’m very much against the government surveillance apparatus but I’m torn in a couple ways. I don’t believe a centralized system like this can exist by our current, and probably any political apparatus, without being abused.
However, we need to ensure we’re being reasonable. I’m torn because even without flock millions of people are going to pay for and install their own cloud-connected security cameras and those corporations mostly act like the flock middlemen for government agencies
But I’m not against people having their own cameras, heck I’m not even against them recording to a cloud device. I’m against the abuse of thst data though ny the government and corporations. And that is the real issue where we need to be demanding the most from our government officials.
Most people are so caught up in wedge issues that Democrats and Republicans can hand over your privacy and data to corporations, or greatly reduce your privacy in countless other ways, and it is going entirely unnoticeable and unchallenged. I live in Washington, a blue state, and there are multiple red states with better privacy rights and CCPA-like protections. Yet it never gets brought up in a primary or election, or challenged. They’d rather people be fighting over culture war issues.
AND, what concerns me as well is some of these anti-flock activists—which I think is a reasonable position—are soon going to become overzealous about any type of camera, and you’ll see them destroying and vandalizing home security systems as well. And I do take issue with that because I’ve seen enough people leaving domestic violence situations, those who were victims of sexual abuse or those who had burglars break into their personal space, etc., to know that not all security cameras are there for nefarious purposes and some people legitimately need some early warning for their homes and a way to have proof to seek justice when their safety is jeopardized.
And so you may have thousands or millions of people saying destroy flock cameras, but it doesn’t feel like a single one of them are saying they care about privacy enough to demand the politicians they’re electing to actually commit in meaningful ways or codify in law the protections from government and corporate abuse. And once they start seeing other cameras as targets of surveillance as well…those on homes, businesses, etc. The movement will quickly lose support and end up making things worse, not better.
Simple solution is to stop giving cops/corporations access to these surveillance systems without a warrant. It’s private data and it should remain so. If people didn’t have to worry about being tracked by this shit then they wouldn’t be hostile towards it.
Being hostile towards flock is understandable. Being hostile to everyone holding a phone or with a security camera on their house is not. Again, take the issues to the people you elect. I’m not even sure I’ve seen a single candidate make it a pillar of their campaign.
I’m very much against the government surveillance apparatus but I’m torn in a couple ways. I don’t believe a centralized system like this can exist by our current, and probably any political apparatus, without being abused.
However, we need to ensure we’re being reasonable. I’m torn because even without flock millions of people are going to pay for and install their own cloud-connected security cameras and those corporations mostly act like the flock middlemen for government agencies
But I’m not against people having their own cameras, heck I’m not even against them recording to a cloud device. I’m against the abuse of thst data though ny the government and corporations. And that is the real issue where we need to be demanding the most from our government officials.
Most people are so caught up in wedge issues that Democrats and Republicans can hand over your privacy and data to corporations, or greatly reduce your privacy in countless other ways, and it is going entirely unnoticeable and unchallenged. I live in Washington, a blue state, and there are multiple red states with better privacy rights and CCPA-like protections. Yet it never gets brought up in a primary or election, or challenged. They’d rather people be fighting over culture war issues.
AND, what concerns me as well is some of these anti-flock activists—which I think is a reasonable position—are soon going to become overzealous about any type of camera, and you’ll see them destroying and vandalizing home security systems as well. And I do take issue with that because I’ve seen enough people leaving domestic violence situations, those who were victims of sexual abuse or those who had burglars break into their personal space, etc., to know that not all security cameras are there for nefarious purposes and some people legitimately need some early warning for their homes and a way to have proof to seek justice when their safety is jeopardized.
And so you may have thousands or millions of people saying destroy flock cameras, but it doesn’t feel like a single one of them are saying they care about privacy enough to demand the politicians they’re electing to actually commit in meaningful ways or codify in law the protections from government and corporate abuse. And once they start seeing other cameras as targets of surveillance as well…those on homes, businesses, etc. The movement will quickly lose support and end up making things worse, not better.
Simple solution is to stop giving cops/corporations access to these surveillance systems without a warrant. It’s private data and it should remain so. If people didn’t have to worry about being tracked by this shit then they wouldn’t be hostile towards it.
Being hostile towards flock is understandable. Being hostile to everyone holding a phone or with a security camera on their house is not. Again, take the issues to the people you elect. I’m not even sure I’ve seen a single candidate make it a pillar of their campaign.
Nah. I don’t want to be surveilled by my neighbors every time I grab my mail either. The difference is, I didn’t pay for my neighbor’s cameras.