• MataVatnik@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    This, we like to talk about men making decisions on women’s reproductive rights. But if it wasn’t wasn’t for women this wouldn’t have passed.

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      1 year ago

      If I wasn’t for men it wouldn’t have even been introduced or gained this momentum. If it wasn’t for misogyny this wouldn’t have passed.

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        1 year ago

        While there is a place for it, my issue with saying misogyny in this context is that it’s a vague, loaded and nebulous term that people project their own meanings to and detracts from the nuances of the reasons that lead women to support anti abortion legislation in the first place. I don’t think the sociological forces can simply be explained away by saying its misogyny, there are women that sincerely believe abortions are unethical.

        • AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world
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          1 year ago

          It’s not the belief that abortions are unethical that is misogynistic. It’s the belief that your ethics on abortion give you the right to take away another person’s right to make decisions about their body based on THEIR ethics, because they are women.

          Don’t believe me? Imagine a law that forces every healthy person to donate blood. Why does that sound ridiculous when the risks of blood donation are far less, and the number of lives it could save far higher? Or donating a kidney, which carries similar risk-per-life?

          The answer: because it wouldn’t only be women affected.

          • MataVatnik@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            You can weave together theory all day, the fact is that the average voters won’t even care to understand. Much less if you go up to women who support anti abortion legislation and start calling them misogynist, they look at the world through a completely different lense, and they will not take anything you have to say seriously.

            • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
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              1 year ago

              Who cares? It doesn’t make what you have to say wrong, and right now, no one can be convinced to change their mind on anything, so what’s ultimately more important is

              1. Being right

              2. Acting on your own or with like-minded people to solve the problem instead of wasting time trying to move an unmoveable object

            • AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world
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              1 year ago

              Seeing as how I never planned to do that, I’m fully comfortable calling a spade a spade, no matter how else people think about it.