For example you might use swear words casually or come off as insensitive without even realizing it. Your intention might be to give an empathetic or thoughtful response, but instead, you just sound cold

Have you ever experienced this?

  • yxc999@lemmy.ml
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    Yes, ten years ago when I already spoke/wrote perfect English on paper but didn’t have much experience talking to actual people (CS GO voice chat doesn’t count) I often had times where what I wrote in English would have been a perfectly reasonable way to express an emotion in German, but the other person found it odd. Of course I didn’t literally translate a German expression 1:1, that would not be the yellow of the egg (ha). Instead I struggled to for example with a general way to acknowledge the feelings of the other person, I always got confused responses since the words in isolation were grammatically correct and in German would have been empathic enough, but the, I wanna say, “social weight” of the words was actually way off. Again, I was already speaking perfect English back then, but with no real-world experience. Societal differences may have also played a role, as Germans are generally regarded to be more cold than the English or the inhabitants of the FSA (Facistic States of America) plus me having autism didn’t exactly provide for a good basis of understanding the weight or intended emotion of the words I chose back then. Now I think I have a good understanding, but I have to conciously “translate the emotion” as well as the actual language. So yeah, I completely get you.

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    Never. You just need to learn the social weight of the words you use in the context your in. I’ve heard 10 year olds shouting the F word in class and their teacher never batted an eye because they didn’t speak English there. Caught me off guard, but nobody “gets” that it’s bad. It’s just a funny sound people say a lot in foreign films to them. Someday they’ll embarrass themselves in an English speaking country and figure it out.

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      True, though it’s pretty normal (and unfortunate) for kids to swear like sailors in their native language

      But what I’m actually referring to is the psychological feeling of just being less emotionally attached to your second language when you speak it no matter how old you become

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    In some capacity, yes. English is my second language and I noticed it feels different (sometimes) to say or think something in it as opposed to my native language.

    I found that sometimes my brain prefers thinking something in English because it feels more detached than doing it in my native language.

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    It might have happened, but people have not called me out on it. I keep far away from swear words while learning a new language.

    Something I am struggelig with however, is being seen as less intelligent and less capable because I am speaking with an accent and/or bad grammar. Constantly being seen as less valuable.

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      This is normally only a problem when conversing with monolinguals. Almost anyone who has expended the immense energy required to learn a second language will understand that language ability and intelligence are completely separate.

      That being said, it is a shitty feeling that I have experienced many times.

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    3 days ago

    OMG YES!!! I thought this was just a me thing. It happens to me all the time with English and German

  • No. But I find many things sound natural to me in English (2nd) while sounding weird in my native language.

    It’s not the matter of translation or phrasing, instead it’s that I am not used to discussing some topics in my native language, going to the point of feeling uncomfortable to say or write.