As an Other Place fan whose experience with trying to befriend Star Trek fans IRL has hit the tragic third - thank you for being reasonable. I’ve met some people pretending that the Other Place is “space wizards for children”, while Star Trek is “real science fiction”. While in fact they’re the same - for most part space magic and for the select few areas, yes, real science fiction.
I like both myself. Both are very much critiquing political systems and politics in general, though SW does it with a lot more action sequences than SW, or at least they did until the Abrahamsverse.
SW started out as “brave Rebels fight the space nazis” and ST started out as “cold war, but in space, but also let’s not be racist/sexist okay”. I think ST got a lot more politics done, to the point of boring the audience to death, because ST got a load of screen time while SW only got three movies initially.
Since the original series, both have had elements of “we’re the civilised people trying to bring order to the chaos”, both have had trade negotiations and blockades, a war of which the worst villains had infiltrated the depths of the military and political powers, and diplomatic struggles to get planets and systems on side.
For every “there are four lights” there’s a concert, and for every “you were like a brother” there’s a “i don’t like sand”. There are strengths and weaknesses in both franchises and I don’t really get the culture wars between them. Hell, both shows feature space wizards and ghosts (though I dint think Leia ever fucked a jedi space ghost like Crusher did), whether you call them the result of spatial anomalies or midichlorians.
I know it sounds cringe, but I’ve always wondered how an interaction between the Federation and the Republic would be like. Would the Federation join the much larger, more corrupt Republic? Would the two be at odds? Would the Orions and Hutts fight for control over their slaver empires, or would they thrive and gain a political stronghold on both sides? Would the Federation call on the mighty Republic army to fight the Borg, risking their forces spreading closer to the border?
I think the “realistically corrupt but mostly well-intentioned” Republic before Sidous’ plan and the “holier than thou, hiding the blemishes” Federation would lose an interesting dynamic for commenting on society: what we know should be slamming straight into what we know deep down is the reality of our world. Leave the Q and the Jedi for what they are, there’s a more interesting show waiting if we send the Enterprise through a DS9-like wormhole to Corusant!
As an Other Place fan whose experience with trying to befriend Star Trek fans IRL has hit the tragic third - thank you for being reasonable. I’ve met some people pretending that the Other Place is “space wizards for children”, while Star Trek is “real science fiction”. While in fact they’re the same - for most part space magic and for the select few areas, yes, real science fiction.
I like both myself. Both are very much critiquing political systems and politics in general, though SW does it with a lot more action sequences than SW, or at least they did until the Abrahamsverse.
SW started out as “brave Rebels fight the space nazis” and ST started out as “cold war, but in space, but also let’s not be racist/sexist okay”. I think ST got a lot more politics done, to the point of boring the audience to death, because ST got a load of screen time while SW only got three movies initially.
Since the original series, both have had elements of “we’re the civilised people trying to bring order to the chaos”, both have had trade negotiations and blockades, a war of which the worst villains had infiltrated the depths of the military and political powers, and diplomatic struggles to get planets and systems on side.
For every “there are four lights” there’s a concert, and for every “you were like a brother” there’s a “i don’t like sand”. There are strengths and weaknesses in both franchises and I don’t really get the culture wars between them. Hell, both shows feature space wizards and ghosts (though I dint think Leia ever fucked a jedi space ghost like Crusher did), whether you call them the result of spatial anomalies or midichlorians.
I know it sounds cringe, but I’ve always wondered how an interaction between the Federation and the Republic would be like. Would the Federation join the much larger, more corrupt Republic? Would the two be at odds? Would the Orions and Hutts fight for control over their slaver empires, or would they thrive and gain a political stronghold on both sides? Would the Federation call on the mighty Republic army to fight the Borg, risking their forces spreading closer to the border?
I think the “realistically corrupt but mostly well-intentioned” Republic before Sidous’ plan and the “holier than thou, hiding the blemishes” Federation would lose an interesting dynamic for commenting on society: what we know should be slamming straight into what we know deep down is the reality of our world. Leave the Q and the Jedi for what they are, there’s a more interesting show waiting if we send the Enterprise through a DS9-like wormhole to Corusant!