Wonder on what you guys think about this, if the future of work requires us to use AI/AI agents, and this is tied to a personal account (tied to our ID) how will that change work and our lives? Every tiny mistake, any curiosity, any eureka moment or inefficiency, all of those will be recorded, tied to your identity, forever and ever to the end of time. It freaks me out…
Don’t rely on anything you can’t control. Give me local LLM or death.
Good idea
Or. OR.
You say fuck AI and don’t use any device with an agent on it, and keep your personal data secured like we did in the 90s and 2000s.
The techbros did a real number on people it seems. None of their tech is vital or needed unless we allow it to be. You can just have a NAS and Keepass. If AI is not a choice, then fuck the cloud.
Thing is, we WILL allow it to be, most people are not on the fediverse or session/signal/simpleX, they don’t give a shit about their privacy. Techbros, or corporations don’t really need 100% of the people to be on board for this to become mainstream, and hell, while i choose not to use it, AI is creeping into even my banking and online shopping apps, I also can’t even look up something to buy without logging in now, so every single search I do is tracked. There’s no other option for online shopping in my country that even comes close to that one, so you default to using it.
I don’t know what a NAS is, but yes, local AI is something I’d really like to get into (can’t atm due to money, but i will when I can save up) I think this will become so much more of a productive way to work that while we won’t be “forced” directly into it, we will end up picking it up in one way or another in order to stay competitive, get a proper salary for food housing and health yknow?
I don’t know what kind of work you’re in, but if you’re “required” to use LLMs then your employer should be paying for it.
If you mean that “everyone will have to use LLMs to be competitive” then that is a false dichotomy.
Cost aside, what worries me is your every thought (or an approximation) will end up written down forever in some database tied to your identity. I don’t mean absolutely every single human being on the planet earth will use AI to be competitive, but I do think it will be to such a high degree that it will feel like everyone is using AI to stay competitive.
I’d say, “virtually everyone”. For some time I’m sure you can keep up, but over time, let’s say 10 years for example, I do believe people who never use LLMs will be on a way worse competitive position than the people who use AI. Prob way earlier than 10 years tbh
So far all the people I’ve had to deal with using I AI keep coming to me to fix their shit because 20+ years of experience doesn’t need AI to get it right. Some of them were not half bad before AI but I’ve watched their skills completely rott away over the last couple years.
I hate to be the one to tell this to you, but this was happening way before LLMs. Every google search, every email, every translation, even every dog bark in you vicinity (yes yes Samsung…) was already recorded in the past what 15 years?
Yes but one thing is one guy sitting down and pressing a button “lets check for this word tag here nationwide”, or maybe “this person was flagged as suspicious, let’s read his stuff” and another completely different is “lets scan absolutely everything for patterns using AI 24/7”
You kinda used to need to be targeted either by a keyword of some kind or more of a manual review, I don’t think before AI they could try and figure you out in an automatic way like they can now. I think it will be more pervasive now
Its called commercial surveillance and its been happening for a while. And state surveillance and that was also happening for a while and it’s been both on a mass scale also for a while. Companies are serving people ads that they know push people to buy. They are using psychology based on their profile and based on general psychological exploits that work for whatever reason (like evolutionary traits that used to be advantageous for survival once…)
Yep, be careful what you put on the internet, and whatever you put there is forever has been a saying for as long as I can remember.
Some people don’t care and catalog every aspect of their lives publicly with photos and videos and others don’t. Public cameras have been a thing for decades. Online services and credit cards keeping track of everything you do is nothing new.
AI doesn’t really change that other than being another tool.
Just don’t accept it and reject the system then. Revolutions work.
Only if its something that most people choose to do, I don’t like cameras, and now there’s cameras everywhere, I can reject the system as much as I want but if I want to buy the stuff I need to eat I have to go out and get recorded. Of course you can argue I could also live on a farm isolated from everyone else and grow my own food and never go into any town or city, but that’s a really restrictive way to live.
Depends on your definition of what “restrictive” is. If you were born in, or even lived most of your life in a city, your perspective of reality is severely warped.
My definition of restrictive is having limited access to the things people who don’t live isolated have access to. I’ve lived both on a capital city an a more rural/countryside area, even on the countryside there are cameras on buses, hospitals, gov buildings, on houses, of not all houses like in the city, but if you go out anywhere even here, you will get recorded. (unless you go to a place without people, which as I said would be restrictive)
My perspective of reality might be “warped” as you say, but does that change any argument I’m making? Or it’s something you just wanted to say?
You can buy glasses or clothing specifically designed to counter face recognition. There are ways to fight back, you just need to decide what level of resistance is ok for you that you can do it consistently enough (and be okay doing possibly for life).
These clothes/glasses look the same as the regular thing? Or do they give away the fact you are trying to mess with surveillance? Cause if they point that out you stick as a sore thumb
Both are looking fine. The glasses look like sunglasses. The clothes have interesting design but I wouldn’t say they stand out too much. You can search for it and see for yourself.
Do you happen to have a specific one to look for? My guess is there will be a bunch of knock off crap being made to try and sell to privacy focused people
I just remember article i think it was this one The glasses I don’t remember. There was a YouTube video about it.
Imagine if people were paid to do these jobs instead? Pay equal to the amount spent on AI. Benefits equal to the cost of the infrastructure it takes to run these LLMs. Just a crazy thought.
Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean
i’ve maintained in my personal relationships that LLMs would lead to a recession. perhaps not globally but definitely will be felt in households.
the question you’re asking is right at a time when its relevance is the lowest. that is to say that you’re presuming there’s a future where models will control the minutiae of online services when it’s already too costly for businesses to continue its integration.
and on the notion that your interactions will be recorded forever. humans have a sketchy track record for archiving information. most of life is mundane and no really cares what you do for the most part.
i feel that the ai doomerism is driven partly by people who are both fearful and naive.
I’m both fearful and naive, but I don’t think makes me automatically wrong tho
didn’t say you were wrong but look at it from another way.
the usa is leading llm development and pushing for infrastructure buildout.
for the last few years countries who have traditionally supported the usa (china, japan, uk) have been selling off their 30 year us treasury bonds. similarly gold stockpiles have increased in the same amount of time.
us banks have been dumping their ai debt this year to reduce their risk.
the signs basically pointing to a potential market collapse all tied to corporate heavyweights on the nyse.
the recession will be unavoidable and it will take the ai craze with it. when no one can afford to pay for the services the hype will fizzle out.
China already has a solution to this: train a model on the public model. The only info that releases is that you’re examining the large model.
From that, you create open local models which work just as well for focused tasks on simpler hardware.
You control the local models, so there’s no information leak on how they’re used.
And you use your local models to interact with the commercial models when you have to, so no personal behavior patterns are given away.
I think that the image you paint is quite dystopian, I do not think you are very far off though. It looks to me that our billionaires and governments in the west are intent on creating the future all the science fiction authors warned us about.
