Is there really a reason, for example, for there to be the distinction of “magazine” and “community”? When you’re federating, the same features should be called the same, if close enough. That way everyone can talk with everyone about stuff and we all immediately understand each other.
Would also alleviate confusion for any new adopters.
^I’m pretty sure this is going to be impossible though, since each sides egos will likely get in the way :D^
oh man I wonder how often I can use this today https://xkcd.com/927/
Not really. A magazine is a collection of articles that all are about a certain topic. It is not that hard of a concept to grasp
Plus: The polish dev called his platform kbin = karabin = rifle, the contents of a rifle are stored in a magazyn = magazine. I actually would have loved if the dev had called threads “bullets” / pocisk to keep going with the theme.
EDIT: this info might be wrong, as @minnieo pointed out. kbin is just a reference to the linux sbin folder.
I am more confused with the upvote and down vote buttons on kbin: the upvote is actually favorite, the equivalent to reddits upvote is boost, the downvote seems not to have a real function besides counting the number.
a different persons polish INSTANCE is called karabin. Ernest named this Kbin in reference to linux sbin and magazines in reference to retro video game magazines. dont spread this fake pro gun stuff about ernest please
I am more confused with the upvote and down vote buttons on kbin: the upvote is actually favorite, the equivalent to reddits upvote is boost, the downvote seems not to have a real function besides counting the number.
TIL… I’ve been using the upvote the same as I did with reddit.
I’ve not been able to wrap my head around reputation points either. I’ve made several comments, a couple of posts, and my reputation has gone from 0 to -1 to +1 to 0 over the course of the week I’ve been here.
I heard boost is +1 reputation and down vote is -1. Kinda wack if you ask me.
The boost also apparently sends the post out to your subscribers, whereas the upvote does not.
Why? This is like going to a foreign country and demand they change their laws because you don’t like them.
It’s fine as they are, it doesn’t take much to understand how they work, a few days of confusion won’t kill anyone, having everything spoonfed to you all the time is detrimental to the mind.
This is very much what this is like. Kbin and Lemmy do not have to confirm to reddit’s norms. I’m glad it’s different here.
I don’t understand why you’d be glad the same stuff has different name depending where you are accessing it from.
And it’s kinda whatever, not that hard to grasp concept of magazine=community but it’s a hindrance especially to newcomers. Maybe just call them magazine-community or something to avoid confusion.
This is how language works. People will call them whatever they want and eventually everyone will learn these things are synonyms. There are even people calling them sublemmys even though that’s nowhere in the UI of lemmy. Newcomers will be a little confused and then they’ll learn and it won’t matter.
That’s not because of language evolving with the need for same thing from different places or nickname that’s grown out of a subgroup. It’s by design, kbin (afaik) is a fork of Lemmy and decided they want to use a different name - maybe because they wanted to differentiate themselves from Lemmy, I’m not sure actually why. Certainly they didn’t take into account both Lemmy and kbin growing side by side both profiting from other’s success. Either way, it’s a failure of design for the fediverse, time will tell if it actually matters though.
(You can sure argue language works by assigning word to describe thing but usually it’s meant that meanings can grow and change with time with the population.)
And I’d argue sublemmy thing is a thing at all because community-magazine thing isn’t that obvious. You never heard anyone in Reddit call them anything else than subreddits or subs.
Language change doesn’t have to result from a “need” for a new word. It can happen just because ppl choose to use a different word. And the developer of kbin is a Polish speaker. Maybe he chose “magazine” because the Polish word makes more sense to him than “community” (I know about the rifle pun. Wordplay works even better when there are multiple meanings)
Either way, my point is we currently have at least 4 words to describe these things (group, community, magazine, sublemmy). Users will coalesce on one or learn that they’re all synonymous and won’t even notice when someone uses a different term than they use
Yeah, language can be changed by a (conscious?) design decision. But whether that change is necessary is up to debate and just because you could doesn’t mean you should.
Some users will learn the terms and some won’t but what I mean is that it’s a hindrance either way. And defense isn’t “that’s language” the defense is “that’s my design vision”.
When I first arrived here, I assumed magazines = communities and made some flippant comment to that effect, only to be set straight by someone more knowledgeable. They essentially argued that magazines > communities on account of the fact that a hashtag within a magazine post is meaningful to kbin but not lemmy. So the different naming underscores that they are not, in fact, identical. Though to be fair, I haven’t seen a lot of posts with hashtags to date.
if you setup tags for a magazine on kbin, posts being published in the fediverse with those tags end up in the
Microblogsection. just check it.I believe this only works on Kbin though, not Lemmy
Yes I’ll correct my post
If we’re taking a vote, I think “Magazine” is a dumb name. I saw that and had no idea what it was supposed to be.
Honestly, this specific post is the first I am realizing that “Magazine” is the equivalent of a subreddit.
Edit: if I’m being honest, I thought Community was a dumb name too.
Well, both of them are much more sensical at a glance than “subreddit.” Subreddit only makes sense because of how long we’ve been using the term, if you came to it without prior knowledge it’d be hard to figure out the meaning.
I do agree that “magazine” is pretty terrible, though. There’s no meaningful analogy between what we’re doing here (threaded conversations on a particular topic) and what’s in a magazine. “Community” isn’t terrible, IMO, if it comes down to it I’d much prefer that one.
If I remember correctly subreddits actually used to be just “reddits”.
Yup. When Reddit launched it was just front page, now known as the (closed down) r/reddit.com. The second they opened was nsfw, third was politics.
Subreddits were launched three years later when they allowed users to start creating their own reddits on reddit - aka sub-reddits.
