President Joe Biden is arguing that “there is something dangerous happening in America” as he revives his warnings that Donald Trump and his allies represent an existential threat to the country’s democratic institutions.

There is an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our democracy. The MAGA movement,” Biden says in excerpts of the speech Thursday in Arizona, released in advance by the White House, referring Trump’s Make America Great Again slogan.

Although voting in the 2024 Republican primary doesn’t begin for months, Biden’s focus reflects Trump’s status as the undisputed frontrunner for his party’s nomination despite facing four indictments, two of them related to his attempts to overturn Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

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    MAGAts are traitors.

    They tried to destroy our democracy and install Trump as dictator. They trampled and beat hundreds of police officers in an attempt get their hands on the vice president in order to lynch him.

    Republicans are so lawless and disdainful of our justice system that they aren’t even a little bit bothered that Trump was found liable for rape and fraud. They don’t care in the slightest that Trump is out on bail for trying to steal the election, and for stealing classified documents.

    Republicans are attempting to impeach a newly elected judge for the singular reason that she acknowledged the legally decided fact that Republicans cheated and gerrymandered their state to seize power without the consent of the governed.

    Republicans have become echo chambers for Putin’s propaganda, openly siding with our enemies over our allies.

    Republicans are openly plotting to replace all the NONPARTISAN long-term government employees with violently partisan stooges who don’t come anywhere close to meeting the bare minimum requirements for doing these essential jobs.

    Make no mistake at all: Republicans are a minority party with no interest anything but seizing power and harming anyone who they decide is an enemy. They can’t win over the voters with their perverted ideology, so they are determined to do ANYTHING inside or outside the bounds of the law, or even basic human decency, in order to steal the country from real Americans.

    Republicans must be stopped, because if they gain power, they will make sure we never have anything close to a real election again. We will be living under a Christian theocracy, every bit as sick and hateful as the Taliban.

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    Joe Biden is right about this. Republicans don’t believe in our democracy and they don’t want people who vote against them to be able to vote.

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      Joe really needs to actually take state action instead of talking about action lol

      like just start arresting people, you did it to the BLM folks, why not against the literal fucking nazis

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    I think it’s important to note that Trump’s “extremist movement” is the mainstream GOP.

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      Yeah I saw a poll/survey that said voters found Biden to be “too liberal” and the GOP is just about the right amount of conservative.

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        Yeah, targeting the MAGA crowd is not going to work. The Dems need an identity outside of “We aren’t Republicans”

        Edit: That said, I must confess it is good to see they’re finally taking the Right seriously as a threat instead “ThEy WaNT WhAT’s BeSt fOr tHE NaTIon, wE JuSt NeEd A BeTTeR ComPrOmISE”

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    Well the spineless Republican candidates jockying for the vice presidency aren’t going to say it.

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    I think this guy sucks, but he’s not wrong here. I’ll vote for him again because as shitty as he is, he’s not going to completely destroy our country and/or destabilize the entire world.

    If Trump is elected, that guy is going to hand Ukraine to Putin, and sever ties between the US and the majority of our allies in Europe.

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      If Biden wants to fight extremism he could maybe make the alphabets do something about all the domestic terror threats.

      Maybe by admitting it’s domestic terrorism to threaten to murder your milquetoast political opponents.

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      I think this guy sucks, but he’s not wrong here. I’ll vote for him again because as shitty as he is, he’s not going to completely destroy our country and/or destabilize the entire world.

      looking at the state of US foreign politics and the growing tensions with russia and china I think they’re already doing this. Biden will fight with russia and get us killed while trump will fight china and get us all killed.

      Two sides, same coin, yada yada

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        I think you’re a moron.

        We aren’t fighting Russia, and we won’t be fighting them anytime soon. They wont fight us because Ukraine has actually decimated their military in an absolutely hilarious manner . Russia is well aware that they will lose immediately if they escalate, so they won’t.

        I’d be glad if we pissed off China, although nothing will happen in this regard either.

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    It’s no secret. They make no attempt to hide their scorn for democratic principles.*

    For example mininizing the number of eligible citizens who vote, by intimidation, “technical issues”, restricting in person voting times, targetting early and mail-in voting to name only a few tactics.

    Also compare their legislative priorities with what actual Americans want… almost nothing in common. They continue to push a radical Christofascist agenda and are actually willing to destroy the country if they can’t get their way.

    Republicans are the party of cruelty and misanthropy now, that is their absolute worst failing.

    *Not our “democracy” because it has never been a democracy, but I’ll give him a pass there since literally every American politician abuses the language and people aren’t educated enough to know the difference.

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    … about fucking time?

    But all politicians are equally at fault for not leglislating to ensure workers have livable salaries and encouraging the “outsourcing” thing that moved jobs overseas so people could buy cheaper Walmart stuff.

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    The story of Joe Biden and his incredible perseverance, through hurdles and tragedies, is tremendously relatable to the common citizen. This man dusts himself off and charges headlong back into the fray after every setback. Lesser men would crumble, if faced with his challenges.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    President Joe Biden is arguing that “there is something dangerous happening in America” as he revives his warnings that Donald Trump and his allies represent an existential threat to the country’s democratic institutions.

    The MAGA movement,” Biden says in excerpts of the speech Thursday in Arizona, released in advance by the White House, referring Trump’s Make America Great Again slogan.

    Biden’s speech is his fourth in a series of presidential addresses on the topic, a cause that is a touchstone for him as he tries to remain in office even in the face of low approval ratings and widespread concern from voters about his age, 80.

    In closed-door fundraisers, Biden has spoken at length about reelection, imploring supporters to join his effort to “literally save American democracy,” as he described it to wealthy donors this month in New York.

    Republican state lawmakers used their subpoena power to obtain all the 2020 ballots and vote-counting machines from Maricopa County, then hired Trump supporters to conduct an unprecedented partisan review of the election.

    The money comes from a $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief package passed in the early months of Biden’s presidency, and the project is in partnership with the with the McCain Institute and Arizona State University.


    The original article contains 1,170 words, the summary contains 205 words. Saved 82%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    Im honestly sick of hearing how much they’re going to do and then they just never do it

    like didn’t biden keep building the wall? We were supposed to have it stopped or teared down, but they just kept letting it go.

    im sick of this country

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    Extremism is born out of fear and desperation. And the number one driver of that is financial insecurity. I really wish he would say he was doing something about these fundamental issues: a liveable minimum wage, housing issues, education, and health care. He’s not wrong about these asshole insurrectionist Republicans, but pointing out that their thinking is anti-American and backwards doesn’t really get to the root of the issues.

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      Oh my god; someone still selling the ridiculous narrative that these white supremacist fascists are being white supremacist fascists because of “economic anxiety”

      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/politics/trump-economic-anxiety.html

      What they fear is losing the privileged status of white supremacy in America; what they’re desperate to stop is a more equal society. They didn’t march demanding more pay, better working conditions, or more upward mobility in Charlottesville, they marched chanting “Jews will not replace us” and “blood and soil.” They’ve been telling us, loudly, for years what it’s all really about and people still want to believe it’s about economics as if there weren’t dozens of very well-off people arrested for trying to attack Congress on January 6th.

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        . They didn’t march demanding more pay, better working conditions, or more upward mobility in Charlottesville, they marched chanting “Jews will not replace us” and “blood and soil.”

        Yeah, because they’re fucking stupid and they don’t know why they have poor pay, poor working conditions, and no upward mobility. They literally believe it’s a conspiracy by Them to keep the white man down. They’re dummies.

        But that doesn’t actually mean economic factors aren’t the primary motivator. There’s still an underlying, material problem.

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          They’re no more stupid than leninists. Honestly both having roots being on the authoritarian end of the spectrum. They are an excellent mirror of each other. Having more in common than they are different realistically.

          It’s really isn’t a problem of stupidity. More a problem of taking an ideology or way of thinking as the core of their personality. Combining that with an unwillingness to rationalize or change.

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              It’s fine to recognize good ideas regardless of source, but politics is so much more than just ideas.

              Centrism, especially at this point in time, may be the most dangerous political philosophy of all. After all, they will cast the decisive votes in 2024. The center of “democracy” and “no democracy” is “less democracy”.

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              In general I do not. Since realistically Libertarians, anarchists, etc share any of the good ideas leninists might have. Without embodying all the bad things leninists do. As long as were talking true libertarians, social-libertarians. And not the fash friendly, selfish neo-libertarians of privilege on the right.

              Absolute power corrupts absolutely. No matter the intentions behind it.

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                  A party that’s socially suppresses the people does not represent the people. I say this about capitalism and leninism both. The party should only answer to the people. Not the other way round.

                  Like the farmers that under threat of the party. We’re forced to listen to the lunatic ramblings of Trofim Lysenko. Discarding what they knew would work to follow his unfounded recommendations. Exacerbating famines in Russia China Etc killing Millions. Committees and councils are absolutely bad about inaction. But inaction on genocide and torture I’ll take that any day.

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        It’s undeniable that more economic opportunity would shrink their pool of possible supporters, even if it would never eliminate that pool. We don’t have to stop every from being a white supremacist; we just need to stop them from coming up with the power to topple our government.

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          This reminds me of a good saying. The worst enemy of progress is doing nothing while waiting for a perfect solution. I agree with you.

          Not having anyone doing hateful things would be better, but that’s a terrible reason to just let the problem grow.

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        “Extremism” Not just the fascists. If you can’t see the correlation between the shrinking middle class over the past 4-5 decades and the growth of extremism, I’m not sure what to say to that. These morons are anxious, and a lot of that is economic, and historically it doesn’t take much to point angry morons at the wrong target. Just define an “other” (Jews, Immigrants, LGBTQ) for them to focus on and they’ll run with it. I’m not excusing these assholes at all. But fighting the symptoms and not the disease is not a smart way to go about making change.

        Also, for what its’ worth, I wanted to look at the article you posted, but I can’t get past the paywall.

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      Maybe if rural areas wouldn’t vote against their best interests they wouldn’t have been left behind.

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      Difference between discussing solutions to difficult problems and developing effective rhetoric to win a campaign.

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      If the Democrats were able to institute their full economic plan, there would be less financial insecurity. It wouldn’t be enough, but it would be a huge boon for less wealthy Americans. Most importantly, it would move the conversation about what’s acceptable policy more to the left.

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          Well you support a failed model of communism that deteriorated into counter revolutionary nationalism and capitalism, so your opinions on democracy mean less than nothing to me.