Im not going to deny the threat of Extend/Embrace/Extinguish, but everyone defederating now, and threatening to defederate all other instances that dont do so as well, comes across as an incredible hasty and mostly an emotionally driven decision.
an incredible hasty and mostly an emotionally driven decision.
There is probably not another tech company I can name that has proven repeatedly to be as untrustworthy with the care they take for user privacy and negative impacts of their platform than Meta. I’d be less up in arms about federating with Twitter, and I’d be none too happy about that.
Let’s not ignore that this isn’t just any old company, this is the king of corporate bad actors. There is ample evidence that we should view them with suspicion, and no evidence whatsoever that we should not.
I get that. I’m all for viewing then with suspicion. Rightly and justifiably so. I don’t have Facebook or Instagram except for contained osint work. I value privacy and understand it’s importance.
But I’m personally not in favour of wildly quarantining every instance that doesn’t fully block them before I have had more time to understand the risks and options here. And I think a lot of people here don’t do. Not really. In that regard its just classic social media with people stoking each others fears and feasting on it.
And I guess a lot of people are here, fresh from reddits corporate ego trip only to immediately feel the worry of their next digital home inevitably meeting the same fate. I think that fresh trauma is directing a lot of the current discourse here. And I think it would be wise to revisit the subject again when we’ve settled and understand our new surroundings more.
tl;dr: don’t trust facebook, but also don’t burn half the street down because they bought a mansion down the lane.
I’m fine with waiting (since we have the luxury of doing so currently) while we wait to see what all the details actually are. But I’m always going to pipe up in support of the fedipact until and unless I receive more information than I have now, and that information gives me a good reason to change my mind.
Folks are thinking of this far too punitively. I say without snarkiness that any instance that wants to federate with Meta should do so, and that it’s OK if that results in a degree of fragmentation. I believe there will always be enough critical mass of folks who want nothing to do with that to maintain a reasonable community without federating with Meta or instances that do so, and it’s really clear that Meta will bring enough users to maintain the other piece full of instances that do choose to federate with them.
The whole point of federation is to allow for instance admins to choose who they will federate with. They don’t all have to make the same decision. And none of them have a right to demand federation from others. That’s just how it is.
Whatever decision is made doesn’t have to be permanent, and for many instances it likely won’t be.
And I guess a lot of people are here, fresh from reddits corporate ego trip only to immediately feel the worry of their next digital home inevitably meeting the same fate. I think that fresh trauma is directing a lot of the current discourse here.
You are exactly right, but I would again remind you that it’s not a baseless worry. They 100% intend monetizing the fediverse. The only question is how much they will destroy in their rush to do so.
Come on, one thread is all about “if we do nothing now in two years Threads will have swallowed the Internet”, and here it’s like “if we do something now we’re all drama queens”.
Personally I think it’s all very simple. Meta has an agenda, which is monetizing data through all means available.
This is not up to debate. It’s a corporation, it has no morals and no other goal other than generating profit by selling users data to advertisers.
I’m saying this as a statement of facts.
The purpose of the fediverse so far is in complete contrast with that, so I think it’s perfectly reasonable to assume that Meta’s ultimate goal will be to alter the fediverse to suit their own goal.
Therefore, telling them to go fuck themselves while we still can seems like a very reasonable thing to do.
Everyone is free and welcome to make thir own servers, and so is Meta.
However, admins are also free to defederate from the servers they deem dangerous or inappropriate for any reason, and fuck, Meta has shown thousands of times that they’re not to be trusted.
Im not going to deny the threat of Extend/Embrace/Extinguish, but everyone defederating now, and threatening to defederate all other instances that dont do so as well, comes across as an incredible hasty and mostly an emotionally driven decision.
There is probably not another tech company I can name that has proven repeatedly to be as untrustworthy with the care they take for user privacy and negative impacts of their platform than Meta. I’d be less up in arms about federating with Twitter, and I’d be none too happy about that.
Let’s not ignore that this isn’t just any old company, this is the king of corporate bad actors. There is ample evidence that we should view them with suspicion, and no evidence whatsoever that we should not.
I get that. I’m all for viewing then with suspicion. Rightly and justifiably so. I don’t have Facebook or Instagram except for contained osint work. I value privacy and understand it’s importance.
But I’m personally not in favour of wildly quarantining every instance that doesn’t fully block them before I have had more time to understand the risks and options here. And I think a lot of people here don’t do. Not really. In that regard its just classic social media with people stoking each others fears and feasting on it.
And I guess a lot of people are here, fresh from reddits corporate ego trip only to immediately feel the worry of their next digital home inevitably meeting the same fate. I think that fresh trauma is directing a lot of the current discourse here. And I think it would be wise to revisit the subject again when we’ve settled and understand our new surroundings more.
tl;dr: don’t trust facebook, but also don’t burn half the street down because they bought a mansion down the lane.
I’m fine with waiting (since we have the luxury of doing so currently) while we wait to see what all the details actually are. But I’m always going to pipe up in support of the fedipact until and unless I receive more information than I have now, and that information gives me a good reason to change my mind.
Folks are thinking of this far too punitively. I say without snarkiness that any instance that wants to federate with Meta should do so, and that it’s OK if that results in a degree of fragmentation. I believe there will always be enough critical mass of folks who want nothing to do with that to maintain a reasonable community without federating with Meta or instances that do so, and it’s really clear that Meta will bring enough users to maintain the other piece full of instances that do choose to federate with them.
The whole point of federation is to allow for instance admins to choose who they will federate with. They don’t all have to make the same decision. And none of them have a right to demand federation from others. That’s just how it is.
Whatever decision is made doesn’t have to be permanent, and for many instances it likely won’t be.
You are exactly right, but I would again remind you that it’s not a baseless worry. They 100% intend monetizing the fediverse. The only question is how much they will destroy in their rush to do so.
Come on, one thread is all about “if we do nothing now in two years Threads will have swallowed the Internet”, and here it’s like “if we do something now we’re all drama queens”.
Personally I think it’s all very simple. Meta has an agenda, which is monetizing data through all means available.
This is not up to debate. It’s a corporation, it has no morals and no other goal other than generating profit by selling users data to advertisers.
I’m saying this as a statement of facts.
The purpose of the fediverse so far is in complete contrast with that, so I think it’s perfectly reasonable to assume that Meta’s ultimate goal will be to alter the fediverse to suit their own goal.
Therefore, telling them to go fuck themselves while we still can seems like a very reasonable thing to do.
Everyone is free and welcome to make thir own servers, and so is Meta.
However, admins are also free to defederate from the servers they deem dangerous or inappropriate for any reason, and fuck, Meta has shown thousands of times that they’re not to be trusted.