Biden’s numbers among young voters have slid during his presidency from the high margins that helped him beat Trump. Several former supporters explain why.
These young voters live in different cities, work different jobs and have varying political beliefs. But among the things they have in common: They voted for Joe Biden in 2020 — and now say the president can’t count on their support in 2024.
“I genuinely could not live with myself if I voted for someone who’s made the decisions that Biden has,” said McKenzie, a 23-year-old working at Starbucks and as a union organizer in Madison, Wisconsin. “I didn’t even feel great about" voting for Biden back in 2020, he said.
And since 03 or earlier, conservatives in America have been consolidating their power to achieve what they have now. Supreme Court dominance enough to undue decades and decades of progress. But yes, pretend these people weren’t right all along. This time, you can safely vote third party , or stay home, probably nothing bad will happen.
But yes, pretend these people weren’t right all along. This time, you can safely vote third party , or stay home, probably nothing bad will happen.
Excuse me? Why don’t you say that again in a way that’s not, you know, doing EXACTLY what I just accused you of?
You do realize, of course that “These people who were right all along” are either people like me pointing out that Biden fucking sucks… or the ones that ALLOWED all that to happen- namely the milquetoast “moderates” that have allowed the overton window to consistently shift right while fearmongering that a progressive candidate is actually impossible. (because, you know, it’d really suck for their corpo masters if progressive gained any sort of headwind.)
Who on the progressive side of the left wing is embracing these things? The republicans are not part of the DNC base, by definition, and bringing them into the mix is… a distraction meant to keep you from realizing that Biden is closer to fascist than I am. but do, go on hurling shit-takes.
Call me when you actually have something other than fucking fearmongering to say.
Saying that living under fascism is objectively worse than a moderate Democrat who’s almost a Republican is not “blaming you for everything”. My God, has our educational system really gone that far downhill so fast??
has our educational system really gone that far downhill so fast??
Cool it with the insults. You’re revealing your ignorance and lack of actual, persuasive arguments. you can stop repeating the “OR ELSE” mantra. had it from boomers and gen xer’s all my life. I tune it out.
I’m not trying to persuade you man. I’m telling you to put on your big boy pants and stop acting like a god damned baby. Your comments clearly show how you’re using your feelings instead of your brain. Grow up and help the rest of us prevent a disaster.
I’m not trying to persuade you man. I’m telling you to put on your big boy pants and stop acting like a god damned baby. Your comments clearly show how you’re using your feelings instead of your brain. Grow up and help the rest of us prevent a disaster.
You’re clearly trying to intimidate me with insults and fear. “OMG GOD ITS BIDEN OR TRUMP” is a false dichotomy. but go ahead keep ignoring the warnings. keep putting bad candidates on the balllot. keep doing the same goddamn thing that got Trump elected the first time around. it’s okay because… you can happily blame other people who are trying to do something about it.
you do realize that Biden is actively working to provide military support to a genocidial country? you do realize he’s loosing votes with every bullet he sends? but yet, I’m the one whose acting on emotion? fucking hell man, stop it with the “SHUT UP AND DO WHAT WE TELL YOU” already. It’s actually kinda fascist of you. (oops, I’m diluting that term, aren’t I?)
No, this is actually a dichotomy. First Past the Post mathematically trends towards a two candidate system as its stable state. This isn’t some psychological bullshit, it’s math. The way our system works you never vote for the thing you like; you vote against the thing you don’t. Doing anything else is literally handing the election to the side you don’t like. It’s called the Spoiler Effect and it happens basically everywhere in the US where FPtP is used.
The place you vote for who you want is in the primaries (or their equivalent in your state), not elections. If you’re not participating in those, you get no say in who gets run and removed about it does nothing. Hell, even then you barely get any say since, as far as I’m aware, both the DNC and RNC actually select their candidate based on a vote of some inner circle bigwigs, not the actual results of any of the state-by-state pageant shows.
No, this is actually a dichotomy. …[snip]… The place you vote for who you want is in the primaries (or their equivalent in your state), not elections.
We’re not in the main election. Right now is the Primary Season. Thanks for the super patronizing lesson in civics, though. super Tuesday isn’t until February at the earliest.
with that out of the way … I can’t help but notice you aren’t actually defending Biden as the best possible candidate to defeat trump.
edit: the DNC rules and bylaws. while you’re partially right, you are voting for delegates, who are nominally bound to vote for the candidate who they said they’d vote for. It’s the electoral college but in mini-form. not that the DNC actually follows them (remember what happened to Bernie?)
You guys are refusing to hold a primary! You kick us in the face, lie about caring what we say, and then telling us to fall in line.
I have seen this episode before, blah blah blah trump,
Trump never would have fucking won if y’all hadn’t conspired to only run Clinton, but it is all everyone else’s fault.
I’m sick of being fed the same lies over and over.
Right now? AOC, Bernie and Whitmer have my attention. I’ll settle as we get closer to Super Tuesday, but even Newsom (whose very much right: offense>defense) or Phillips (whose basically a younger version of Biden) would be better candidates than Biden. Fetterman was on the list, too, but he’s too… gung ho for Israel now.
Voting isn’t supposed to make you feel good. You’re not supposed to be satisfied with your decision. It’s going to suck and continue to suck until you die.
Well, enjoy living under a dictator. You can enjoy your lack of freedom with a clear conscience.
Y’all’be been saying that or similar since at least ‘03.
You need new scare tactics. Or, maybe, stop ignoring over half the base. But details. Yes. Keep blaming us for everything…
And since 03 or earlier, conservatives in America have been consolidating their power to achieve what they have now. Supreme Court dominance enough to undue decades and decades of progress. But yes, pretend these people weren’t right all along. This time, you can safely vote third party , or stay home, probably nothing bad will happen.
Excuse me? Why don’t you say that again in a way that’s not, you know, doing EXACTLY what I just accused you of?
You do realize, of course that “These people who were right all along” are either people like me pointing out that Biden fucking sucks… or the ones that ALLOWED all that to happen- namely the milquetoast “moderates” that have allowed the overton window to consistently shift right while fearmongering that a progressive candidate is actually impossible. (because, you know, it’d really suck for their corpo masters if progressive gained any sort of headwind.)
You ever consider that perhaps people are and have been paying attention, which is why they won’t vote Left this time? ¬¬
Preach!
When half the base embrace incompetence, obstruction, and fascism, it’s time to ignore them.
Who on the progressive side of the left wing is embracing these things? The republicans are not part of the DNC base, by definition, and bringing them into the mix is… a distraction meant to keep you from realizing that Biden is closer to fascist than I am. but do, go on hurling shit-takes.
Call me when you actually have something other than fucking fearmongering to say.
Saying that living under fascism is objectively worse than a moderate Democrat who’s almost a Republican is not “blaming you for everything”. My God, has our educational system really gone that far downhill so fast??
Cool it with the insults. You’re revealing your ignorance and lack of actual, persuasive arguments. you can stop repeating the “OR ELSE” mantra. had it from boomers and gen xer’s all my life. I tune it out.
I’m not trying to persuade you man. I’m telling you to put on your big boy pants and stop acting like a god damned baby. Your comments clearly show how you’re using your feelings instead of your brain. Grow up and help the rest of us prevent a disaster.
You’re ignoring everything we are telling you, while doing the same thing over and over, and then telling us to fall in line to help you.
How about you help us?
You’re clearly trying to intimidate me with insults and fear. “OMG GOD ITS BIDEN OR TRUMP” is a false dichotomy. but go ahead keep ignoring the warnings. keep putting bad candidates on the balllot. keep doing the same goddamn thing that got Trump elected the first time around. it’s okay because… you can happily blame other people who are trying to do something about it.
you do realize that Biden is actively working to provide military support to a genocidial country? you do realize he’s loosing votes with every bullet he sends? but yet, I’m the one whose acting on emotion? fucking hell man, stop it with the “SHUT UP AND DO WHAT WE TELL YOU” already. It’s actually kinda fascist of you. (oops, I’m diluting that term, aren’t I?)
No, this is actually a dichotomy. First Past the Post mathematically trends towards a two candidate system as its stable state. This isn’t some psychological bullshit, it’s math. The way our system works you never vote for the thing you like; you vote against the thing you don’t. Doing anything else is literally handing the election to the side you don’t like. It’s called the Spoiler Effect and it happens basically everywhere in the US where FPtP is used.
The place you vote for who you want is in the primaries (or their equivalent in your state), not elections. If you’re not participating in those, you get no say in who gets run and removed about it does nothing. Hell, even then you barely get any say since, as far as I’m aware, both the DNC and RNC actually select their candidate based on a vote of some inner circle bigwigs, not the actual results of any of the state-by-state pageant shows.
We’re not in the main election. Right now is the Primary Season. Thanks for the super patronizing lesson in civics, though. super Tuesday isn’t until February at the earliest.
with that out of the way … I can’t help but notice you aren’t actually defending Biden as the best possible candidate to defeat trump.
edit: the DNC rules and bylaws. while you’re partially right, you are voting for delegates, who are nominally bound to vote for the candidate who they said they’d vote for. It’s the electoral college but in mini-form. not that the DNC actually follows them (remember what happened to Bernie?)
You guys are refusing to hold a primary! You kick us in the face, lie about caring what we say, and then telling us to fall in line.
I have seen this episode before, blah blah blah trump,
Trump never would have fucking won if y’all hadn’t conspired to only run Clinton, but it is all everyone else’s fault.
I’m sick of being fed the same lies over and over.
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Do whatever the fuck you want.
So what candidate has your favor at the moment?
Or are you just not going to vote?
Right now? AOC, Bernie and Whitmer have my attention. I’ll settle as we get closer to Super Tuesday, but even Newsom (whose very much right: offense>defense) or Phillips (whose basically a younger version of Biden) would be better candidates than Biden. Fetterman was on the list, too, but he’s too… gung ho for Israel now.
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Ah, a terrorist.
Ok keyboard warrior.
Smash that enter key extra hard in frustration!
You are correct, which is why your left wing peers will never do either, haha.
Voting isn’t supposed to make you feel good. You’re not supposed to be satisfied with your decision. It’s going to suck and continue to suck until you die.
Kids these days…