• blazera@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    This a lob ball for republicans who just have to point out democrats are the ones taking opposition off the ballots.

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      9 months ago

      It’s so fucking stupid that Jan 6 was a cut-and-dried insurrection, that the 14th amendment should obviously bar Trump from office, and yet it might be better, politically speaking, to let him run anyway. All because there’s a giant segment of the population that receives all their news information from sources that scrub it for anything politically detrimental to their party/ point of view.

      I fucking hate it here. Fuck Nixon and Reagan, giant pieces of shit, for bringing this horrible reality to us.

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        9 months ago

        Problem is its not cut and dried without a conviction. And im blaming Bidens DoJ for that taking this long, they didnt even begin charging him until last august, its 2024 and the trial hasnt even started.

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          And im blaming Bidens DoJ for that taking this long, they didnt even begin charging him until last august, its 2024 and the trial hasnt even started.

          Tell me you have no idea how the criminal justice system works without telling me you have no idea how the criminal justice system works.

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            9 months ago

            The DoJ has the authority to charge, arrest, and prosecute for federal crimes.

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                9 months ago

                The due process part comes after the prosecution part.

                “the institution and conducting of legal proceedings against someone in respect of a criminal charge”

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      9 months ago

      How do you mean? The people challenging Trump being on the ballots are Republicans with standing in those jurisdictions.

      I am not offering my opinion on these cases, but I think it’s important to make sure we understand who the plaintiffs are.

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        9 months ago

        the two states that have removed Trump from their ballots are Colorado and Maine, Colorado’s entirely democrat appointed supreme court, and Maine’s democratic secretary of state.

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          9 months ago

          You are saying their rulings go against written law in preference to their party affiliation? If so, I’d be interested in understanding how.

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            9 months ago

            I am saying they are democrats that have removed republican opposition from the next election. This is what republican voters are going to see and its gonna be hard to campaign on democracy itself while setting this precedent.

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              Do our laws matter or not? The guy has been found by courts to have participated in an insurrection. He lost last time, we all know that. He tried to make it so he stayed in power, we all know that. We are just supposed to pretend that didn’t happen because some people still like him?

              Sorry, not how our county works.

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                9 months ago

                The way it’s supposed to go is he gets arrested immediately after the crime by the DoJ and brought to federal trial. But that didnt happen, for several years.

                This is like someone being charged with illegally possessing a firearm as a felon, but without ever being convicted as a felon. No matter how much you believe they committed a felony, they still have to be found guilty first. In this case it’s someone being barred from running for office as an insurrectionist, without ever being convicted as one.