• NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    I should be able to run any software I see fit on a piece of hardware I own without a corporation acting as a gatekeeper. I hope the EU finds this unacceptable because it’s frankly bullshit.

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      10 months ago

      Android has entered the chat.

      But yeah, the closed iOS experience is why i stay away from Apple.

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        10 months ago

        To be most specific, LineageOS (open source Android) on a Google Pixel phone. Google’s Pixel hardware is open.

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          10 months ago

          You can side load apps on pretty much every version of Android.

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            10 months ago

            Yes but if you want the truly free “this is my hardware, keep your corpo hands off of it” experience, then Pixel phones with FOSS OS is the way to go.

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          10 months ago

          even the modem? I was under the impression that cellular modems where the thing keeping a truly free phone being made.

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            10 months ago

            Pretty sure grapheneos has binary blobs for all the firmware, SOC/modem, camera, Bluetooth etc. nothing they can do since the manufacturers only release binary blobs and by the time it could be reversed engineered it would be obsolete

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      10 months ago

      If this is a priority, buy different hardware.

      You never purchased an iOS or iPadOS device with Apple promising unlimited side loading.

      And speaking of which, unless you’re a member of the EU, no sideload for you.

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        10 months ago

        I know all this, still want Apple to get dragged kicking and screaming to a place that’s not so damned anticompetitive.

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          10 months ago

          I feel that you’re just trying to stick it to Apple and thus have discredited any comments you might make on the topic.

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        10 months ago

        As a power user, I find Apple’s approach to sideloading insulting as a customer and blatantly anticompetitive.

        I buy an Apple phone because the phone market is effectively a duopoly: Android or iOS. I choose iOS over Android because of its much longer security support window and better accessory ecosystem (AirPods Pro + Apple Watch in particular), and also because I don’t want absolutely everything in my life to be owned by Google.

        None of that detracts from the fact that Apple’s position on this issue hurts its customers and is fucking annoying. And their claims of “it’s for security” are disingenuous at best.

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          10 months ago

          Oh well. You gotta decide which is more important to you. Seems that you won’t get both.

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            10 months ago

            Sure, but I should be able to have both. We used to have both, and it was taken from us by monopolistic megacorps.

            So, I accept that the situation is what it is, but I’m allowed to be pissed off about it. I’m also allowed to support regulations that would force Apple to give their users options.

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    10 months ago

    How would that even work? Apps distributed outside the App Store would not (necessarily) be submitted to Apple to review, and the developer of sideloaded apps may not be identifiable to charge fees too.

    I suppose they could mandate some sort of signing system for sideloaded executables but I have a feeling the EU would consider that a further abuse.

    It will all come out in the wash, but if the rumours are true Apple seems to be going about this in the worst way possible.

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      On macOS, an app has to be signed by the developer and then “notarized” by Apple, and the notarization involves some sort of automatic malware scanning. It isn’t a human review. You can circumvent these requirements as a user, but not as a developer. I presume this is as far as Apple might be able to go on iOS in the EU.

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    10 months ago

    This is equivalent to getting a speeding ticket while your car is on a flatbed

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    10 months ago

    Anyone who didn’t see this coming? It was pretty obvious they’ll never ever allow unlimited side loading.

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      10 months ago

      Well the new system will be way worse than current sideloading (which just requires a reinstall once a year)

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        10 months ago

        Once a year if you have a paid developer account, which is $100/year. It’s otherwise every 7 days and capped at 3 simultaneous apps*. And in either case you need a Mac or Windows machine available as well. I suspect it’ll be an improvement for anyone without a paid developer account.

        * - At least, according to https://sideloadly.io/ - I haven’t touched sideloading for a few years (with AltStore + AltServer).

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          10 months ago

          You’re assuming you won’t need a dev account for this new system? Or is that confirmed somewhere

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            10 months ago

            It’s an educated inference - I don’t believe that requiring a paid dev account to sideload would satisfy the EU, and I don’t think a system that requires a paid dev account would be meaningfully different from the current state of things.

            But then again, I will be surprised if the EU allows Apple to charge a commission on fees related to apps distributed outside their store, and they’re doing that anyway, so who knows.

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              10 months ago

              Not to sideload, to develop an app. Right now you can develop an app and allow it to 100(I think) people to sideload it for a year

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                10 months ago

                Are you talking about them installing it via Testflight?

                Regardless, I would not expect the $100 annual fee for developers to go away

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                  10 months ago

                  I mean; add their UDID to your account > build app > distribute over the internet for them to sideload