The solution is to find a diplomatic solution that works for both sides. Anybody who can’t get that through their skull is actively driving us towards extinction.
The diplomacy amounted to Russia wanting to reclaim the soviet sphere of influence or Ukraine gets it. You know full well there wasn’t any actual diplomatic solution for Putin.
Yes, Russia has a sphere of influence just like US has and every other major power. I know full well that if Ukraine stayed neutral then Russia would not have invaded it. Every single person who knows anything on the subject agrees regarding this. Finland throwing away its neutrality was the height of idiocy.
Implementing Minsk agreements that Ukraine and the west agreed to and Ukraine staying neutral would’ve been pretty easy. But Ukraine regime and its western sponsors refused to. As the saying goes, it takes two to tango.
Russia invaded them, that’s all it takes for it to be 100% Russia’s fault. Ukraine never invaded Russia. NATO never invaded Russia. The EU never invaded Russia. Even Japan is staying out of Russia, despite openly contesting lands.
I’m stating a simple fact that the framing being used is infantile because it completely ignores the actions on the part of the west that led to this conflict. If I’m arguing with people who aren’t able to comprehend this, then nothing of value was lost.
Are you suggesting that western democratic countries shouldn’t help other people that would like to be free from a dictator?
Russia annexed Crimea
Russia invaded Ukraine
These are facts, no western country annexed anything or invaded anyone. Not to say the west are innocent, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan are shameful things that should never have happened.
US annexed part of Cuba and runs a torture camp there. US occupies a chunk of Syria, US invaded Hawaii and eradicated most of the native population. Need I go on?
And given that China is more democratic than US, perhaps China really should help American people to liberate themselves from the oppressive regime they live under.
The solution is to find a diplomatic solution that works for both sides. Anybody who can’t get that through their skull is actively driving us towards extinction.
The diplomacy amounted to Russia wanting to reclaim the soviet sphere of influence or Ukraine gets it. You know full well there wasn’t any actual diplomatic solution for Putin.
Yes, Russia has a sphere of influence just like US has and every other major power. I know full well that if Ukraine stayed neutral then Russia would not have invaded it. Every single person who knows anything on the subject agrees regarding this. Finland throwing away its neutrality was the height of idiocy.
Should be the easiest compromise in the world, that Ukraine is left alone and Russia is left alone. But Russia refuses.
Implementing Minsk agreements that Ukraine and the west agreed to and Ukraine staying neutral would’ve been pretty easy. But Ukraine regime and its western sponsors refused to. As the saying goes, it takes two to tango.
Russia invaded them, that’s all it takes for it to be 100% Russia’s fault. Ukraine never invaded Russia. NATO never invaded Russia. The EU never invaded Russia. Even Japan is staying out of Russia, despite openly contesting lands.
You have an infantile understanding of the world.
You’ve lost the argument when you resort to insults.
I’m stating a simple fact that the framing being used is infantile because it completely ignores the actions on the part of the west that led to this conflict. If I’m arguing with people who aren’t able to comprehend this, then nothing of value was lost.
Are you suggesting that western democratic countries shouldn’t help other people that would like to be free from a dictator?
Russia annexed Crimea
Russia invaded Ukraine
These are facts, no western country annexed anything or invaded anyone. Not to say the west are innocent, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan are shameful things that should never have happened.
US annexed part of Cuba and runs a torture camp there. US occupies a chunk of Syria, US invaded Hawaii and eradicated most of the native population. Need I go on?
And given that China is more democratic than US, perhaps China really should help American people to liberate themselves from the oppressive regime they live under.