Woa, never met anyone who actually took Christianity that literal. That must be a wild experience to believe in literal devil and god, sin and all that stuff - that’s a trip and a half. Kind of speechless - that’s just wild.
I don’t think that was a very charitable comment. I haven’t anyone that believes in the Bible in a literal way either. I’ve heard people say the stories are mostly allegory and to practice the message of the Bible and the like.
I don’t know, I guess I was curious because this seems so important to you and I wasn’t expecting you to hinge your whole belief system on one ancient book.
I wasn’t raised around religion nor have I ever really been around it, so I find it fascinating. My, bad, I guess it was a big ask.
Are you aware that you have used the Bible to explain your belief in the Bible?
As I understand your reply, you believe you have a relationship with Jesus because you believe he exists, and that relationship will continue forever after you die.
You believe this because it says so in the Bible.
I know this is difficult to admit to yourself, I’ve seen it in others, but this is circular reasoning.
It’s difficult to admit because we as humans are able to compartmentalise two opposing things in our mind at the same time. You can have a belief based on circular reasoning, and at the same time you can know that circular reasoning is not a good way to come to a conclusion on which to base a belief.
It’s your job as a Christian to make sure that your belief is true. By only looking at the Bible, you are failing in this endeavour.
“The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.” Proverbs 14:15
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thessalonians 5:21
And Christianity is what you believe in. If you’re telling me that the source of your beliefs is the reason for your beliefs, well, that’s not a good way to know things.
I know this isn’t easy, having your belief system exposed as untrustworthy. You can double down of course, which will make you feel better. Unfortunately it won’t change reality.
No, I asked where in Christianity the idea comes from. You used doctrine to answer me, which is fine, but by doing so you revealed that your beliefs are derived from a book that tells you to have those beliefs.
I pointed this out to you because it’s a problem, for you and for everyone else. We as humans should strive to make sure that the things we know are true, otherwise we get into all sorts of problems both as individuals and as a species.
That’s like saying “how do you know how to build this ikea bookshelf” “I read the instructions” “But you cannot use the instructions to prove that you are in possession of the ikea bookshelf”
It really isn’t, it’s more like this -
“Why do you think you have an IKEA bookshelf, there really isn’t any good reason to think so?”
“I have this instruction manual and it says I have one because it says so. That’s good enough for me.”
You can see how this looks from where I’m standing?
I asked in good faith, it’s not in my nature to bait people. You’re welcome to your opinion but it was your answer which caused me to go down that route. And please, no-one is upset here. If you really wanted to have a conversation, perhaps quoting scripture wasn’t the best way to go about it.
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Wait dude, I just realized - do you also believe in the literal Satan?
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Woa, never met anyone who actually took Christianity that literal. That must be a wild experience to believe in literal devil and god, sin and all that stuff - that’s a trip and a half. Kind of speechless - that’s just wild.
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I don’t think that was a very charitable comment. I haven’t anyone that believes in the Bible in a literal way either. I’ve heard people say the stories are mostly allegory and to practice the message of the Bible and the like.
Sure, what ever helps you sleep at night my crazy friend.
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I don’t know, I guess I was curious because this seems so important to you and I wasn’t expecting you to hinge your whole belief system on one ancient book.
I wasn’t raised around religion nor have I ever really been around it, so I find it fascinating. My, bad, I guess it was a big ask.
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Thanks for the reply.
Are you aware that you have used the Bible to explain your belief in the Bible?
As I understand your reply, you believe you have a relationship with Jesus because you believe he exists, and that relationship will continue forever after you die.
You believe this because it says so in the Bible.
I know this is difficult to admit to yourself, I’ve seen it in others, but this is circular reasoning.
It’s difficult to admit because we as humans are able to compartmentalise two opposing things in our mind at the same time. You can have a belief based on circular reasoning, and at the same time you can know that circular reasoning is not a good way to come to a conclusion on which to base a belief.
It’s your job as a Christian to make sure that your belief is true. By only looking at the Bible, you are failing in this endeavour.
“The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.” Proverbs 14:15
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thessalonians 5:21
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And Christianity is what you believe in. If you’re telling me that the source of your beliefs is the reason for your beliefs, well, that’s not a good way to know things.
I know this isn’t easy, having your belief system exposed as untrustworthy. You can double down of course, which will make you feel better. Unfortunately it won’t change reality.
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No, I asked where in Christianity the idea comes from. You used doctrine to answer me, which is fine, but by doing so you revealed that your beliefs are derived from a book that tells you to have those beliefs.
I pointed this out to you because it’s a problem, for you and for everyone else. We as humans should strive to make sure that the things we know are true, otherwise we get into all sorts of problems both as individuals and as a species.
What you are doing is basically accepting this -
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I think you’ve missed the point, but that’s ok.
It really isn’t, it’s more like this -
“Why do you think you have an IKEA bookshelf, there really isn’t any good reason to think so?”
“I have this instruction manual and it says I have one because it says so. That’s good enough for me.”
You can see how this looks from where I’m standing?
I asked in good faith, it’s not in my nature to bait people. You’re welcome to your opinion but it was your answer which caused me to go down that route. And please, no-one is upset here. If you really wanted to have a conversation, perhaps quoting scripture wasn’t the best way to go about it.
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