So, my thought here is that I really feel like this should be leading the effort to get Joe Biden returned to office in 2025. This shit really does scare me – how efficiently the GOP has planned to do this shit, and how abjectly bad the Democrats are at bringing this up. Maybe it’s because I’m not a political campaign runner and there’s something I’m missing, but man, it feels like this would be IMPORTANT to get in front of the voters? What are your guyses’ thoughts on this topic?

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      I dunno.

      I’d say “vote for people that aren’t morally defunct crumpets” but then you’ll say “oh so you’ll let Trump win”

      I’m tired of this game. You want to continue believing Biden gives a fuck about you… that’s your problem.

      Biden is part of the problem. I’m not the one running to be POTUS. It isn’t my job to give you the answers.

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        I’d say “vote for people that aren’t morally defunct crumpets” but then you’ll say “oh so you’ll let Trump win”

        I would not. If you say “don’t vote for Joe Biden in November” I would say that’s helping Trump win, because that’s a fact. Those are very different statements.

        You want to continue believing Biden gives a fuck about you… that’s your problem.

        When I have claimed that? Joe Biden is a centrist Democrat who I would like to see become extinct. He will never receive my vote outside a general election. I disagree with him and party leadership on a slew of issues and continue to try and pull the party left every way I can.

        If you want to argue about how awful everything is constantly it would make sense to offer people solutions or ideas. If you don’t want to do that, that’s your call. If you can’t, maybe your position isn’t nearly as strong as you think it is. It should be pointed out that you’re arguing in bad faith though. Have a good evening!

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        Well, have you seen the rabid, anti-lgbt, evangelical, maga, trumpets… because they sure as shit are all going to vote…

        So, if you stay home you are losing your opportunity to cancel out one of their votes by using yours and voting Biden.

        I totally get he is not your first or even second choice… but he is the one you have.

        If you find the risk of another Trump term less than voting Biden will make you feel icky… I hope to God not many American left feel the same as you.

        The rest of the world also kinda depends on Trump losing the upcoming election.

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          but he is the one you have

          Then it’s not a choice, is it?

          If you find the risk of another Trump term less than voting Biden will make you feel icky… I hope to God not many American left feel the same as you.

          I don’t. Unless Biden finds new and interesting ways to shit the bed… and prove he’s as bad as trump… (that’s gonna be hard to do…) I will be voting for Biden.

          But I will be doing so, in full knowledge that I’m voting for an asshat that things it’s okay to support Genocide. there will be hell to pay for that. and I have zero expectation that he’s going to do much more than delay the inevitable. if he’s even able to do that. one term or two, doesn’t change much. I hope I’m wrong. I don’t want to be right.

          that said, “trump bad” is not going to win voters. This is the exact same playbook as 2016, when Hillary lost. in fact Biden’s footing is even worse than Hillary’s.

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            I get this is a disappointing event and I hope you get more opportunities to change the US for the better. Make sure you also keep your local politicians honest they are closer and Can more easily be held to account at elections…