I think ur over thinking it. Im pretty sure most people dont like being told what to do. I dont consider myself evil for earing meat why should i? I source most of my meat from responsible farmers most of whoms farms i have seen myself. Those animals live good happy lives then hop skip and a bolt to the head they end up in my freezer. You welcome to do as u wish as long as ur not stopping me from doing as i wish. If u tell someone they cant do something or are evil for doing something then of cause they are not going to be happy its called self determination.
I also don’t like being told what to do. But I can also recognise that its an extremely childish response to say “well you asked me not to, so I’m going to do it more”.
Its not childish according to game theory its the perfect responce a strong incentive not to repeat the activity. Its a u told me to do x cos u dont want x to happen i enjoy doing x im going to do x more now that u told me not to do x its an incentive to not tell people to not do x.
That’s the dumbest application of game theory I’ve ever heard.
This example would only apply if there were a finite amount of animals shared between the two people only and there were no other factors at play other than eating and being hungry. Additionally let’s assume the x is [eat animals]. This then defines the reason why people are telling you to not eat animals (the second x) as simply because “they don’t like it”. It shows you are missing the point entirely.
Don’t pretend your “you don’t like it so I’m going to do more of it” is anything more than “owning the annoying vegans who told me what to do”.
Everything can be boiled down to wants and needs u dont need to not eat animals u want to not eat animals. There are a finite amount of animals and if there was infinite u run into an infinity paradox (its the equivilent to a trolly problem of 1 person per integer on track a and 1 person per even integer on track b doesnt matter where the trolly goes the same number of people die) hence if there was infinite u being vegan does literally nothing. I didnt say its the only reason just that its not childish to implement optimal game theory.
It not just owning the vegans (though it does do that effectivly) its mathematically assigning a cost for u for telling someone what to do.
You realize you only get told what to do by vegans because you hang out where they hang out. If you keep coming here and arguing with them, you probably are here because it serves your own needs somehow…
How is !comicstrips@lemmy.world in any way associated with vegans. And yes i quite enjoy arguing in general your not special your just one of the many many groups of people i enjoy disagreeing with like u are entertaining ill give u that maybe on the same level as the extreme left or russian shill but at least ur not as dumb as the ccp supporters.
Good point, most people just justify it and don’t really question the morality. But after being told, precisely how and why it is probably immoral, and that animals dont live peaceful lives at the happy factory, what do you do?
That’s when coping mechanisms kick in.
I’m not even vegan, im just interested in the psychology of it all.
My cope is unga bunga monkey instincs and soy crap is expensive.
There is no god, morality is invented by humans, it’s not punishable by law, therefore no consequences for my actions on me.
As for everything affected by my actions, keep it at a safe distance i guess? Just like you, don’t rub it in my face because it makes me uncomfortable.
I think if we all seriously started analysing our actions as much as vegans want us to, we’d all hate ourselves for even existing.
But im too tired for this wannabe deep bullshit so ima go back to destroying the planed by having a server somewhere emit pollution so i can listen to muh monkey brain happy songs on youtube.
Yeah sometimes i wonder why i argue with these assholes then i come up with a line like “hop skip and a bolt to the head” and my little monkey brains goes hahahaha. I mean im trying not to think abt it too hard but the vegans might be right we arnt that different we kill our fellow humans with almost every action we take so in the end its the vegans who care so much about not harming animals that murder is illegal therefore its their fault there is any difference at all.
Funny how when it comes to veganism that everyone suddenly only eats the flesh pf animals they knew personally and that were cuddled to death. Do you ever order food made with animal products when eating out?
I think ur over thinking it. Im pretty sure most people dont like being told what to do. I dont consider myself evil for earing meat why should i? I source most of my meat from responsible farmers most of whoms farms i have seen myself. Those animals live good happy lives then hop skip and a bolt to the head they end up in my freezer. You welcome to do as u wish as long as ur not stopping me from doing as i wish. If u tell someone they cant do something or are evil for doing something then of cause they are not going to be happy its called self determination.
I also don’t like being told what to do. But I can also recognise that its an extremely childish response to say “well you asked me not to, so I’m going to do it more”.
Its not childish according to game theory its the perfect responce a strong incentive not to repeat the activity. Its a u told me to do x cos u dont want x to happen i enjoy doing x im going to do x more now that u told me not to do x its an incentive to not tell people to not do x.
That’s the dumbest application of game theory I’ve ever heard.
This example would only apply if there were a finite amount of animals shared between the two people only and there were no other factors at play other than eating and being hungry. Additionally let’s assume the x is [eat animals]. This then defines the reason why people are telling you to not eat animals (the second x) as simply because “they don’t like it”. It shows you are missing the point entirely.
Don’t pretend your “you don’t like it so I’m going to do more of it” is anything more than “owning the annoying vegans who told me what to do”.
Everything can be boiled down to wants and needs u dont need to not eat animals u want to not eat animals. There are a finite amount of animals and if there was infinite u run into an infinity paradox (its the equivilent to a trolly problem of 1 person per integer on track a and 1 person per even integer on track b doesnt matter where the trolly goes the same number of people die) hence if there was infinite u being vegan does literally nothing. I didnt say its the only reason just that its not childish to implement optimal game theory.
It not just owning the vegans (though it does do that effectivly) its mathematically assigning a cost for u for telling someone what to do.
You realize you only get told what to do by vegans because you hang out where they hang out. If you keep coming here and arguing with them, you probably are here because it serves your own needs somehow…
How is !comicstrips@lemmy.world in any way associated with vegans. And yes i quite enjoy arguing in general your not special your just one of the many many groups of people i enjoy disagreeing with like u are entertaining ill give u that maybe on the same level as the extreme left or russian shill but at least ur not as dumb as the ccp supporters.
Yea, they had such good lives. Keep telling yourself that
I literally was looking at their lives with my own 2 godamn eyes how could i have made a better judgement than that?
So you would have no problem trading places with them then?
Do i look like a friggin lamb or chicken to u? Would u like to swap places with ur pet dog?
Good point, most people just justify it and don’t really question the morality. But after being told, precisely how and why it is probably immoral, and that animals dont live peaceful lives at the happy factory, what do you do? That’s when coping mechanisms kick in.
I’m not even vegan, im just interested in the psychology of it all. My cope is unga bunga monkey instincs and soy crap is expensive. There is no god, morality is invented by humans, it’s not punishable by law, therefore no consequences for my actions on me. As for everything affected by my actions, keep it at a safe distance i guess? Just like you, don’t rub it in my face because it makes me uncomfortable.
I think if we all seriously started analysing our actions as much as vegans want us to, we’d all hate ourselves for even existing. But im too tired for this wannabe deep bullshit so ima go back to destroying the planed by having a server somewhere emit pollution so i can listen to muh monkey brain happy songs on youtube.
Yeah sometimes i wonder why i argue with these assholes then i come up with a line like “hop skip and a bolt to the head” and my little monkey brains goes hahahaha. I mean im trying not to think abt it too hard but the vegans might be right we arnt that different we kill our fellow humans with almost every action we take so in the end its the vegans who care so much about not harming animals that murder is illegal therefore its their fault there is any difference at all.
Funny how when it comes to veganism that everyone suddenly only eats the flesh pf animals they knew personally and that were cuddled to death. Do you ever order food made with animal products when eating out?