The White House on Tuesday condemned “death to America” chants that surfaced online from a recent rally in Dearborn, Mich., protesting Israel’s war in Gaza.

Press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre replied, “yes” when asked if President Biden condemns the comments in the chants, which were captured on video by some attendees.

“Peaceful protests are something that the president has also been very clear that, its important to give folks space to peacefully protest. But any type of violent rhetoric, we are going to denounce,” she said.

Dearborn mayor Abdullah Hammoud (D) has also denounced the chants, sharing in a statement on X that “Dearborn is a city of proud Americans.”

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    Imagine living on a planet that’s being cooked alive, a random executive in a board room can fire you for no reason, you’re one missed paycheck away from being homeless, which itself is increasingly being criminalized, you’ll never be able to own a house or pay off the loans society told you you had to take out when you were 18, you’re one bad doctor’s appointment from bankruptcy, your tax dollars are going to fund a genocide in Gaza, and the only socially acceptable option to contest any of it is voting once every few years.

    How can you not actively support destroying the fundamentally illegitimate system that defines America?

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      Yeah …I hate to break it to you: these guys chanting death to America aren’t on your side

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        Soratoyuki, after America has been overthrown: “we did it, comrades!”

        Religious zealots who took power: “send him to the camps too”.

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      Because chants of death to America isn’t about destroying the system. It’s about killing the people. How you don’t get the difference is odd.

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        Not this again. This is based on the original Persian, which is a mistranslated figure of speech. In Persian language it means down with America, it’s not talking about actual deaths. In Persian, they even say death to potatoes.

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          One constructs a message for the recipient.

          If you say “death to America”, to Americans, in America, knowing full fucking well that it will be interpreted as “death to America”, then I hate to break it to you, you ARE saying “death to America”.

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            Only if done in the recipient’s language.

            When Bush said there should be a crusade against terrorism, it’s not his fault if the Arabic speaking media used the word for the historic Crusades.

            And as for the chanting in Dearborn, it was one nut job chanting and everyone from the mayor to president Biden condemned it.

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              Only if done in the recipient’s language.

              No. If I know full well how my message will be received, it’s irrelevant. Language is a construct for communication, it isn’t intrinsically the transference of ideas. If I blabber or gesticulate anything knowing that it will be received to mean X, then I have knowingly and intentionally communicated X.

              When Bush said there should be a crusade against terrorism

              It ABSOLUTELY was the fault of his administration: when you’re communicating to a global audience, which he was doing, you pay a TON of people to avoid making exactly this kind of error.

              And while I agree that ignorance when individuals make this mistake is understandable, as soon as it’s been pointed out… If you keep doing it, it’s no longer a mistake, it’s intentional.

              it was one nut job

              That’s fair. I’m not implying it isn’t.

              All I’m saying it’s childish to say something that you know will be interpreted. It’d be like me saying the argument was “removed”, and then if saying “As someone who is bilingual, I was using the french word”.

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        If you think they’re literally calling to kill over 300 million people, I have great news about potential crypto and NFT investments for you.

        It’s almost like the mainstream media deliberately doesn’t give a voice to people outside of a very narrow (and shrinking) Overton window.

        Edit: honestly having trouble imagining how absolutely stupid someone has to be to downvote this lol. Guess I need to make a cryptocurrency lol.

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          This is the same thinking that people saying that if the roles were reversed between Palestinians and Israel, that Palestine wouldn’t wipe out Israel… religious hate, especially Islam, knows no peace.

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              Yes, I forgot how the majority Muslim nations, don’t rape their women, have honor killings for their women, murder anyone who is LGBTQ+ and enjoy stoning people still.

              I mean hell I remember when I was in the EU the last time and they had a stoning…o wait…

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                Christian-majority countries don’t rape? Oh honey, you have a lot to learn about the world.

                Jamaica and Uganda have the worst murder rates of LGBT in the world, what religion are most Jamaicans?

                You’re overgeneralizing billions of people with false stereotypes. Majority of the world’s 2 BIllion Muslims live in democracies. Most of those democracies have elected women as presidents and prime ministers, has America yet? Stop insisting your stereotypes are real and actually go and see the world and check. You’ll find out you’re wrong.

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                  They’re not raping people for a religious reason. I don’t know how you’re not getting that.

                  I’ve been to most of the world, Islam is the most violent religion in the modern world. Stop acting like it’s not.

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                    NOBODY is raping people for a religious reason. No country legalizes that, not even the Taliban. Is that what you think is happening? No wonder you’re insisting on such blind hate. Please educate yourself. Peace.