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    5 months ago

    Valuable thought! Thank you!

    You’re not wrong about the system being what it is.

    But the system lacks agency. The system cannot do things differently one fine Tuesday morning. Only human beings have this kind of latitude.

    Another distinction is that the system is a tool while humans are the beneficiaries or the fodder for the system, as the case may be. Billionaires are the foremost material beneficiaries of the system.

    Therefore, the weak link is the human, and not the system. But. What you say is, in my opinion, very important because it helps us recognize that the human beings are organised in networks and are also creatures of habit, which means there is a lot of inertia that must be overcome. Even the best action won’t have instant results.

    Right now there is zero risk, zero downside for the billionaires. They have the biggest per-individual influence on the system which essentially prints money for them. It makes sense that protecting and expanding the system would be the sole concern of the 99% of the billionaires. The other 1% might have some earnest sympathy for the underclass. Might… So simply adding an element of risk will change this equation.

    However if you think there is a clever way to gum up the system in a purely procedural/bureaucratic way, I am all ears. I am currently not smart/cognizant enough to think of a way.

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      Crystal clear piece of writing. Humans are obviously collectively responsible for the systems they create and perpetuate.

      I am currently not smart/cognizant enough to think of a way.

      An individual, regardless of wealth, power, and ability, is powerless relative the systemic mandate. Large groups produce mediocrity. Their outcomes fail to meet the prerequisite urgency of the human mandate.

      However if you think there is a clever way to gum up the system in a purely procedural/bureaucratic way, I am all ears.

      The first rule consists of a relatively small number of people, who know little to no information concerning organization assets (such as member identities). This limits the harm that can be done to the organization as a whole by any individual member. The structure can range from a strict hierarchy to an extremely distributed organization, depending on the group’s ideology, its operational area, the communications technologies available, and the nature of the mission.

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        5 months ago

        Gold.

        The human Mandate!

        First time I hear such powerful words. I have to think about this and the last part too.

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          5 months ago

          Above, I wrote one cohesive response, not three snippets. It’s powerful because great people wrote it: from King to Wiki. I’m just a guy who knows you’re not looking for ideas.

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            5 months ago

            I am always learning, but I have accepted that I own my process of learning. This means I enjoy discussions and it is possible for me to learn something new in a discussion or to remind myself of something I don’t want to forget, and I sometimes enjoy good company, but the grand strategy of my cognition and the final say on meanings and values are not collaborative for me, but the sole responsibility of myself to myself.

            I enjoy solitude every bit as much as I enjoy good company.

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              4 months ago

              I respect your agency in your learning process and assume personal wisdom.

              I learned very little useful studying the Bible and philosophy by myself. Some subjects are just that way, such as Capital. And, no one comes just wanting to learn the material. All want an opportunity for praxis.