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In the spirit of being encouraged to speak my mind here’s a slight effort post:
Defederation does not do what you think it does.
The instance creator and admins are those with the ultimate power within their instance. The active users delegate them that power by interacting with their instance.
Defining “defederation” within the context of Lemmy as I understand it:
“the act of denying the ability for accounts within specific instances to interact with each other”
Anyone at this current time can create an account on most instances. One site on sh.itjust.works is defederated right now, but anyone here may also have an account there, who knows? The value comes from our activity and interaction within each instance.
Defederation is a narrow and a slippery slope because it doesn’t actually solve any problems. There are many instances which are doing things I think should be banned. I don’t interact with them. I don’t provide them with any value.
We uphold an inclusive enjoyable community here by being active. Individuals with malicious intent are ostracized naturally by an active community. Defederating entire instances does not stop bad actors, but an active strongwilled community does.
It’s not our responsibility to moderate other instances.
Developers should definitely start figuring out how to implement anti-bot systems. You can’t just use that though. You also need to have an active community that self moderates and purges bots when they’re seen. There is no way to stop bots entirely and efforts to do so would alienate users and lead to the decline of activity.
News flash genius.
Bots can run their own instances. And those instances can be used to interact with the rest of the Fediverse.
Doesn’t matter if your instance takes measures to stop bots signing up when they’ve just created 10,000 accounts on a VPS they spun up and spammed every other federated instance.
Dude, this isn’t Reddit. Chill with the attacks. Instead of getting your point across, you’re just going to get downvoted.
Also, it goes against the rules of this community. Be respectful in your disagreement. Courtesy goes a long way to having a real discussion, not a shouting fest like Reddit usually devolved into.
This is a good example of why limiting the ability of users from outside this instance to participate in this community might be a good idea (he’s a kbinner).
I can only assume that this gentleman had been recently watching the suburbs episode of IASIP, and came in a bit hot. So he’s fine.
But I think he may not have recognized what this community is or that it’s a meant to be a more polite forum than the general fediverse, or even the sh.itjust.works Main community. It’s better to put up a thin barrier so that people don’t wander in here unaware and get downvoted and derail the discussion.
I don’t know about limiting users from outside, I think it’s kind of fun. “News flash genius” gave me a good laugh lol. Also, people will just make accounts here if they can’t interact from other accounts.
We can discuss going forward. Even a very slight barrier to entry could be very helpful.
I would encourage that honestly. Then they’re at least making themselves more part of the community.
Your rhetoric really leaves something to be desired. You are your own worst enemy in trying to persuade people of your opinions.