I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll be totally ok with it if I start actively harming women by insinuating I own them and you doxx me for that so that women can come tell me how I’ve harmed them. If I spout white supremacist drivel I want you to punch me until I stop. If I make thinly veiled rape threats I want you to kill me.
Since I want that to happen to me, I can go ahead and do what I want, right?
It’s not “you”, it’s the innocent people about to be doxxed for their immigration status, who are not interested in whatever deal you’re comfortable with.
Once the practice becomes politically popularized, the cat is out of the bag.
If you think non-fascists being civil and respectful to fascist is going to give fascists even a fraction of a second of pause before they do shitty things, my only possible conclusion is that you’re painfully naïve and also that you don’t actually understand what fascism is.
Who is “us”? I’m not here to be a good guy. I’m here to live my life on my terms without interference and help others do the same. Notice that nowhere in that sentence did I say “Make racists comfortable and happy” or “Snuggle up to a smarmy pile of garbage who trolls women”.
I’m not a good guy. I’m not a nice guy. I’m not the tolerant left. I’m pissed the fuck off and I’m not above doxxing a stupid cunt obliquely threatening rape or punching a Nazi. You can whisper your mean words about them into your pillow or whatever you think will make them stop and I support your right to do so. But that ain’t me.
You’re cool with leveraging error prone violence that can easily be reversed on to at risk people. Live that best life i guess.
I’m all for taking it to these fascists, just get a better method lmao. Doxxing is shit because it can easily hurts bystanders, and is terroristic.
Everyone here is very ready to be conversationally violent, but there’s nothing “tolerant” about not popularizing terroristic methods. It’s just having basic respect for other citizens who don’t want to be in harms way with no reason.
What if they got Fuentes address wrong and someone got their innocent house burnt down? That’s why I don’t like it.
If you’re ready to take down Nazis, do it correctly. Don’t risk randos.
If mother fuckers ain’t checking their work that’s their own fucking fault. Notice I haven’t put that address anywhere because I haven’t personally confirmed it. I also didn’t participate in the Boston bombing thing on the other site because there was too damn much uncertainty. Not that I owe someone making sure Nick Fuentes is comfortable an explanation.
It’s going to get turned on the vulnerable whether I do anything or not. It already has been in several cases without my involvement.
So you keep being the good guy. I’m going to be a shit bag.
Dude I just wanted to close by saying I get where your head’s at. I’m there too.
I have a friend who is closeted LGBT and works with kids. They are a completely upstanding person. But they confided in me after trump was elected they are afraid of their address and or status getting to some other adults who said they think all LGBT are pedos. So I have that in my head, my friend is scared. I’m amped up about this (and the Linux dev who got swatted on stream) and I just see destruction that way. I get others don’t.
People really don’t like my opinion on this but I just can’t see doxxing as something I ever contribute to, or offhand accept. But I’m just one dude and no one needs to care about me outside of the up/down votes.
Edit sorry I got spicy in the latter replies, feeling like I’m up against the world for trying to stay sane.
We’re on the same side, we just vehemently disagree on methods. They’re already using that shit against the people I care about. I’ve gotten in actual fights with people talking shit about women, LGBT folks, and, in one case where I got locked up, a guy with a speech impediment because someone thought he was the r-word. It’s been a while because I tend not to be that violent anymore, but I’m fucking tired. Ain’t none of this other shit working.
You know what, I’m sorry too. I know we’re on the same side but I came at you in a shitty way. It’s something I’m working on, but I’m not in a great place lately. Thank you for coming at me a different way so I could see how shitty I was being. We can disagree on this and still fight for the same things.
It’s going to happen either way. We can dox their worst or sit back and do nothing. And they’ll still do what they are going to.
Which is why the right always seems to win. They keep at something till they get it.
I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll be totally ok with it if I start actively harming women by insinuating I own them and you doxx me for that so that women can come tell me how I’ve harmed them. If I spout white supremacist drivel I want you to punch me until I stop. If I make thinly veiled rape threats I want you to kill me.
Since I want that to happen to me, I can go ahead and do what I want, right?
It’s not “you”, it’s the innocent people about to be doxxed for their immigration status, who are not interested in whatever deal you’re comfortable with.
Once the practice becomes politically popularized, the cat is out of the bag.
If you think non-fascists being civil and respectful to fascist is going to give fascists even a fraction of a second of pause before they do shitty things, my only possible conclusion is that you’re painfully naïve and also that you don’t actually understand what fascism is.
Doing their dance moves doesn’t make us “good” anymore.
Who is “us”? I’m not here to be a good guy. I’m here to live my life on my terms without interference and help others do the same. Notice that nowhere in that sentence did I say “Make racists comfortable and happy” or “Snuggle up to a smarmy pile of garbage who trolls women”.
I’m not a good guy. I’m not a nice guy. I’m not the tolerant left. I’m pissed the fuck off and I’m not above doxxing a stupid cunt obliquely threatening rape or punching a Nazi. You can whisper your mean words about them into your pillow or whatever you think will make them stop and I support your right to do so. But that ain’t me.
Us being everyone who is not a maga.
You’re cool with leveraging error prone violence that can easily be reversed on to at risk people. Live that best life i guess.
I’m all for taking it to these fascists, just get a better method lmao. Doxxing is shit because it can easily hurts bystanders, and is terroristic.
Everyone here is very ready to be conversationally violent, but there’s nothing “tolerant” about not popularizing terroristic methods. It’s just having basic respect for other citizens who don’t want to be in harms way with no reason.
What if they got Fuentes address wrong and someone got their innocent house burnt down? That’s why I don’t like it.
If you’re ready to take down Nazis, do it correctly. Don’t risk randos.
If mother fuckers ain’t checking their work that’s their own fucking fault. Notice I haven’t put that address anywhere because I haven’t personally confirmed it. I also didn’t participate in the Boston bombing thing on the other site because there was too damn much uncertainty. Not that I owe someone making sure Nick Fuentes is comfortable an explanation.
It’s going to get turned on the vulnerable whether I do anything or not. It already has been in several cases without my involvement.
So you keep being the good guy. I’m going to be a shit bag.
Dude I just wanted to close by saying I get where your head’s at. I’m there too.
I have a friend who is closeted LGBT and works with kids. They are a completely upstanding person. But they confided in me after trump was elected they are afraid of their address and or status getting to some other adults who said they think all LGBT are pedos. So I have that in my head, my friend is scared. I’m amped up about this (and the Linux dev who got swatted on stream) and I just see destruction that way. I get others don’t.
People really don’t like my opinion on this but I just can’t see doxxing as something I ever contribute to, or offhand accept. But I’m just one dude and no one needs to care about me outside of the up/down votes.
Edit sorry I got spicy in the latter replies, feeling like I’m up against the world for trying to stay sane.
We’re on the same side, we just vehemently disagree on methods. They’re already using that shit against the people I care about. I’ve gotten in actual fights with people talking shit about women, LGBT folks, and, in one case where I got locked up, a guy with a speech impediment because someone thought he was the r-word. It’s been a while because I tend not to be that violent anymore, but I’m fucking tired. Ain’t none of this other shit working.
You know what, I’m sorry too. I know we’re on the same side but I came at you in a shitty way. It’s something I’m working on, but I’m not in a great place lately. Thank you for coming at me a different way so I could see how shitty I was being. We can disagree on this and still fight for the same things.
Those two scenarios are mutually exclusive.
It’s like saying, “Well, you don’t want non-violent offenders in prison, so no one should ever go to prison for any reason.”
It’s going to happen either way. We can dox their worst or sit back and do nothing. And they’ll still do what they are going to. Which is why the right always seems to win. They keep at something till they get it.