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I get it!
Random acts of violence won’t work.
Random acts of violence
Random acts
I think a lot of rich people don’t understand that being rich precludes them from being a part of the working class. They think that because they’re working, that must mean they’re a working class person. And then that leads to shit like this, rich folk calling other rich folk working-class.
Obviously, there are more reasons for people calling the CEO a working class hero, but I think what I said is still one of those reasons.
No one is working class as long as they can live the rest of their life in relative luxury/comfort with zero sources of income. If they choose to continue to work, it’s because it’s their choice to enrich themselves further, not because they will lose their home or need to start living off rice and beans.
Even retirees who live off a few thousand a month from their pensions, retirement funds, and investment returns are no longer working class in my opinion.
Yeah the “hero” part doesn’t equal “I made it big therefore I’m a hero”
A real working class hero is a person who did make it big and gave back to the ones beneath them.
Exactly. This guy made it big and did nothing to use his power to help people. Hell, if anything, he made it worse. He oversaw the cruelest company in a cruel industry.
Like Luigi
They probably don’t consider him in the same class as them at all. I wonder if he wasn’t even a 1%-er, maybe more like a 2-3%-er. If you do literally anything other than laying in your money pile eating and shitting and having your mouth and ass wiped with $100 bills you’re probably a pleb to them.
More like working class traitor.
If you wrote a story about a class traitor murdering another class traitor in class, you’d get a failing grade for how ridiculous the concept was.
Yeah this whole story is first grade script material.
So did Abe’s assassin. Reality doesn’t have to be believable.
Vigilante violence doesn’t lead to enduring systematic change.
Normally I agree with most of jacobin’s articles but I don’t agree with this. It’s pretty obvious that things have already changed, even if it’s just temporary. (Speaking as a non American spectator at least tbf)
It’s strange to cite what may be “just temporary” changes when you’re quoting “enduring systematic change”
Yeah that’s fair, I did actually notice what I wrote kind of argued against itself 😅. My counterpoint would be that it’s clear there’s more work to be done to make it not temporary
We could just depose them all and find out. I mean, that’s what they do to us.
This is a historically illiterate reply. The French Revolution was enacted by organized political resistance, not random assassinations. As the author points out, such acts never achieve any substantial or lasting change.
The only recent-ish example I can think of that actually applies is Gavrilo Princip, and the consequences were mostly accidental.
And also wildly catastrophic
Well I meant lasting positive change. This means building better systems—there’s just no other way to do it. Some assassinations have clearly altered the course of history but they didn’t really improve society.
Organized vigilante violence, then.
Vigilante violence can be distinguished from revolutionary violence because it is carried out without a Party. It’s just random people on their own deciding to do violence i.e. adventurism. It can’t bring enduring change.
No, but it can inspire a populace to rise up and challenge their oppressors.
It can also lull a population into complacency rather than getting organized, and it can provoke the government into counter-revolution before the masses have reached a revolutionary stage. Adventurism can strangle any potential revolution in the crib.
Has he heard of the French revolution? That was a bit of lasting change
looks at current French government
So do the ends justify the means?
Remains to be seen
That’s an answer to the underlying questions. You think the means can justify the ends, but you aren’t sure because you don’t know the ends yet.
Yes.
Yeah he wasn’t one.
Doesn’t matter that he came from money. He saw an imbalance of power and did something about it.
