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The president of Mexico on Thursday expressed hope that Google “reconsiders” its decision to change its online maps to reflect U.S. President Donald Trump’s claim that he has the authority to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico.
Shortly after taking office, Trump issued an executive order announcing he was changing the name of the body of water to the Gulf of America.
For U.S. users of Google Maps, the gulf was listed as the Gulf of America as of Thursday. Google, whose CEO attended Trump’s inauguration along with other tech moguls, said last month it has “a long-standing practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in official government sources.”
But Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum warned Thursday that her government “will file a civil suit” against Google if it does not revert back to labeling the international body of water the Gulf of Mexico.
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Republicans are so good at baiting liberals into useless bullshit arguments, while they plunder stuff that actually matters.
I don’t think that’s fair in this case, she’s been killing it. She’s been drawing hard lines and meeting Trump blow for blow…
As for what’s important, she got concessions so far. Trump got to claim a win, but she let Trump use a previously negotiated deal while getting the US to commit to cracking down on the flow of guns into Mexico
And now she’s fighting on the bullshit culture war stuff… But you know Mexico speaks a different language and isn’t changing the name on their side, right?
The threats against Google are a threat to crack down on a massive US tech company, which is probably (undoubtedly) related to the threat of delayed tarrifs
She’s playing the game. If only the liberals would wake up and realize the game has changed too
I mean it’s Mexico. I wouldn’t really consider them “liberal”.
Dems and useless virtue-signaling. Name a better duo
Google also removed the ability to suggest edits to specifically the Gulf.
Guess they knew ahead of time they’d get an influx of requests to change or back.
They hadn’t removed that ability as of Thursday evening, because I was able to give feed back. My guess is they got a rash of hate messages similar to mine and decided to remove it because of that. I hate them so much right now, but Google is unfortunately the forefront service for my online life. So much I do with Google apps that I really can’t get in any one other place.
While we are at renaming things…
But it kinda makes sense to be called Gulf of America since it’s located in North America.
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trump?
The Mexican cartel leader
Most of the drug addicts are here in the us. I’m assuming you are as well.
I don’t even live in that part of the world. Lol
Well, the continent was named America, not the Mexico continent. So the name Gulf of America just sounds right. It’s not like the name changed to the Gulf of US.
I thought it was called North America?
Yeah, “America”.
Following your logic Lake Michigan should be renamed Lake America. There’s a bunch of lakes up there, do they all get renamed Lake of America? Seems confusing!
Here’s a list of all the gulfs in the Americas:
North America
- Gulf of Mexico
- Gulf of Alaska
- Gulf of California (Sea of Cortes)
- Gulf of St. Lawrence
- Gulf of Honduras
- Gulf of Panama
- Gulf of Tehuantepec
Central and South America
- Gulf of Darien (Colombia and Panama)
- Gulf of Venezuela
- Gulf of Guayaquil (Ecuador)
Following your logic, they’re all badly named because that’s just named after the region they’re in, not the content.
Not badly named, I just don’t see anything wrong renaming it to the Gulf of America. It’s like renaming the South China Sea to South East Asia Sea.
Whoa, fella, you can’t apply logic and reasoning around here.
True, lol.
Why bother with this? If you want to make a point, pass regulation in Mexico to call E.E.U.U. (US in Mexico) be called Northern Mexico. Then Google is forced to comply on that territory like they claim they do for disputed sections when maps are viewed from that region. It would make for some funny reactions from people visiting Cancun or Puerto Vallarta.
Edit: plus it would show how stupid the whole rename thing is to begin with.
TIL…
The abbreviation E.E.U.U. (often written as EE. UU.) stands for Estados Unidos (United States) in Spanish. This abbreviation follows a grammatical rule in Spanish where doubling the initial letters of each word indicates plurality
So you taught me something today I did not know. Thank you!!
See, I learned this in Spanish class in my American high school, and I don’t think that linguistic fact stuck with me! Thanks
That rule existed in Portuguese as well, but they dropped that as indication of plurality is just… wasteful
Interestingly (or not) it’s also used in French but only in one case that I’m aware of. Monsieur is abbreviated to M. while messieurs (plural) is MM.
Oh, 2 M’s touch.
I always wondered why it had double letters. Thank you!
Just let our mexican and Canadian neighbors take over the USA. We’ve proven to be unworthy of making wise choices.
Wait what do they call the European Union then because that’s still EU in Spanish as well.
It’s UE in Spanish, from Unión Europea. (Non-doubled letters because it’s a single Union, there’s no plural like in “States”).
Sometimes people in Spain do use the English acronyms for both EU/USA, but I don’t think I’ve seen it often. Both UE and EEUU are more common from what I’ve seen, and also people rarely say these out loud, it’s exclusively a written language problem.
If we’re going to play that demagogic game, why not make “United States of America” be shown as “United States of North America” to reclaim the continent name back? Companies will comply if it’s an official request.
They are both states united and in north america…
Es el chapulín colorado
No contaban con mi astucia!
Currently in Mexico, it displays the name your phone region is set to. It still shows Gulf of America on my phone, even when I am on Mexican WiFi.
Google is one of many propaganda arms of the US govt. I highly doubt they’d comply with that as it doesn’t fit in with their political agenda.
At that point they would be like twitter in Brazil when they didn’t comply with fines and were blocked at the country level: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y06vzk3yjo
Don’t “threaten”. Any asshole can make a threat. GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
It looks like they’re giving the lawyers time to find legal arguments to file.
Though they could jusr ban Google from their country.
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Everyone needs to get used to ignoring this bullshit. The Gulf of America thing isn’t important. It doesn’t effect anyone, and there’s far too many posts about it when there are real things to pay attention to. This is purely a distraction. Stop giving it attention.
There is one part thats relevant, and thats the government suing AsPo for refusing to comply. Thats a direct attack on the First Amendment
It’s the details that make up the whole picture.
As an isolated situation, the renaming thing may be stupid and not worth giving any credence. Energy can be spent resisting elsewhere in more useful places. However along with the rest of the actions of billionare corpos that kissed the ring, it’s part of the overall trend with devastating consequences. Bullshit details shouldn’t be ignored, but acknowledged as “they’re fucking us from all directions right now and waging war on reality, and we really should stop letting them”.
It’s definitely a distraction tactic, but at the very least looking at Google Maps and Bing Maps makes very clear to people which megacorps are riding the oligarchy; just in case anyone held hope their favorite “techbro revolutionary” might side with them. PS: Mapquest gets it right.
Nah it actually matters more than you think. As an American you might think this is okay, but its not. And Trump getting away with whatever he wants all the time is because of enabling
For sure. It’s just that this isn’t the part that matter. This is part of the enabling. If you’re paying attention here you don’t see the other thing over there. It’s slight of hand. You only have so much attention, and it’s better spent where it actually has an effect. This will be reversed with the next president.
Reality has to BE.
Out with the oldspeak. In with the newspeak.
Where will the lawsuit be filed in?
Mexican courts? Good luck getting an American company to comply.
US Courts, well… surely no judge would be biased right? glances at the composition of the US Supreme court
International Courts? Lol like they have any power at all.
Reminds me of The Expanse:
“Earth Court? Mars Court? What Inner court gives Belters justice?”
Mexican courts? Good luck getting an American company to comply.
Why not? Brazilian courts ordered Twitter to ban some people, Twitter refused, court treated to jail Brazilian Twitter legal representatives, Twitter closed their Brazilian office to shield itself from Brazilian courts, Brazilian courts ordered ISPs to block Twitter because they had no legal representatives on the country, after a couple of weeks without Brazilian access Twitter bow down, rehired their legal representatives and complied with Brazilian court orders.
Don’t see why Mexican courts couldn’t do the same with Google Maps.
By “comply”, I mean like getting them to revert the map rename. Kicking them out and blocking them isn’t really getting them to “comply”
By contrast, if the US government wanted Google to do something, they could storm their headquarters and get the government tech people to go in the servers and change it (Edit: after obtaining a court order to do so, obviously).
if the US government wanted Google to do something, they could storm their headquarters and get the government tech people to go in the servers and change it.
Bwahahahahahahainhalehahahahahahaa
Thanks, I needed that. Whatever movies you’re watching are terrible.
Forcing your way into Google to have “government techs” change something is NCIS level ridiculous. Conceivably they might get a court order to “force” Google to change. Funnily enough, the US and Mexico have the exact same levers to make a company do what they want. The US has more power to push those levers though.
We’ll see who’s laughing after the government breaks through all of Google’s firewalls and hacks their mainframe!
They’re gonna need a lot of cyber-tape if they want any chance of stopping all the data from spilling through their firewalls.
And who knows how google would handle a cyber-nuke.Don’t forget two people typing on one keyboard
Mexico is a big country, Google has shareholders who demand line goes up, people use maps to advertise (“map pack” “local SEO” and brand tie-ins)…
yeah, we’d start using their spineless nature for good tbh
In order to do business in Mexico, they must agree to Mexican laws.
In order to do business in Canada, they must follow Canadian laws.
In order to do business in the US, they must
follow US lawskiss the ring.This isn’t the first time big tech has had to tackle something like this. Usually it’s with disputed territory. In that case, each region gets to see what it demands to see, while presenting something different to the rest of the world.
The suit should be by an American cartography company over the proper US Board on Geographic Names’s official process not being followed for the name change.
I’m actually submitting a name change to the board through the official process. But since the USGS added a bit to the process saying that resetablishing historical names isn’t a reason for a name change, I’m going to recommend it be changed to “The Gulf,” since it meets all criteria for a name change - most importantly that it be a name in common usage by locals. Lots of people refer to it as “The Gulf,” while “Gulf of America” isn’t in common usage.
The most we can do outside of lawsuits is at least try to take the “America” part away.
I’m going to recommend it be changed to “The Gulf,” since it meets all criteria for a name change - most importantly that it be a name in common usage by locals.
So now when I refer to “The Gulf States”, I’m typically referring to Alabama and Florida and Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
the proper US Board on Geographic Names’s official process not being followed for the name change.
This is the theme of this administration. Doing whatever they want with no regard for process. This gulf of “America” nonsense truly feels like the actions of a believed king or emperor. A frivolous decree that doesn’t change anything, doesn’t materially affect anything, just an opportunity to exercise their believed power.
Let’s name it “the Gulf of America’s pollution”
Reminds me of: Miss Universe… Miss planet… Miss International…
First, what laws are violated? Doubt international law touches this, US law maybe?
edit: Why the F do you downvote me? This is an honest question. I really dislike Trump, but I don’t see what laws this violates, except maybe US laws regarding the separation of powers-
I can see Google (and Apple) quietly paying a fine and changing it for Mexico (and any other jurisdiction that specifically asks).
This is stupid and cowardly of them, but that aside, the implication is 100% “comply, or the US government will make life difficult for Google.” I can see how they’re stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Nah, they’re willing collaborators.
This is stupid and cowardly of them,
What else did you expect?
Step two of the plan you outlined was inverted by Google, but the effect is the same: IIRC it only shows up that way for US users.
Edit: apparently that was either a lie or incomplete info, see comments elsewhere in this thread.
IIRC it only shows up that way for US users.
apparently that was either a lie or incomplete info
Where’d you first hear this?
Not judging, just curious about the information chain.
I can confirm that it shows up as both for me. I’m not in US or Mexico, and it shows as “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)”. The info I saw was that it shows as GoA in the US, GoM in Mexico, and both everywhere else. At least 2 of those are true, I’m guessing all 3 are
Can confirm it’s both here in Canada where we’re not supposed to be a part of this insanity
Reporting about how the maps team reclassified the US as a “sensitive country”, a la: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/28/google-reclassifies-us-as-sensitive-country-like-china-russia-.html
I legitimately don’t understand why the U.S. isn’t the only locality where it shows up as “Gulf of America”.
Set the en-US string to “Gulf of America”. Leave literally every other region’s text string untouched from what it was 6 months ago.
When the next Democrat U.S. President gets sworn in and immediately Executive Orders it back to “Gulf of Mexico”, change the en-US string back to that.
This is all so stupid and melodramatic.
This is all so stupid and melodramatic.
That’s the point!
It already does
The new name shows only for USA. In Mexico it’s unchanged, or shown with both names.
Our president is dumb and just wants to look like she’s fighting back without actually doing anything significant.
It’s showing up worldwide. Its why Mexico is threatening to sue.
Since when is the big tech the arbiter of truth? It might come as a surprise to you, but Google and Apple don’t care about your holy war against Trump.
You think Google and Apple should call it the Gulf of America?
I think Google and Apple should call it whatever the official names are, not to take any sort of political stance.
Then why add “Gulf of America” in countries that do not recognize the name?
In case you have forgotten, Google is an American company, every one of their decisions is taken in California. Maybe calling everything you don’t agree “fascist” isn’t a smart idea, since it shows that you have no idea what the meaning of that word is.
That is not what I asked.
OK, let’s reverse it, and say Mexico renamed the Gulf to something else. What do you think Google should do, inside Mexico and out?
Inside Mexico they should name it whatever the Mexico calls it. Outside Mexico it should be called however it is called in the respective country.
But again, Google is based in the US, all their decisions are made there.
Less threatening… More doing.
The U.S. dictatorship are just doing and they’re slowly tearing apart OUR planet.
Bro, are you ok? “US dictayorship”? Trump was elected by the majority of Americans. How is Trump destroying YOUR planet? By changing the name of the gulf? Is this the biggest problem “your” planet has?
Fukin soypeople…
Oh yeah, I forgot. Implying people enjoy soy is an insult. Ouch! My feelings.
I never said Dictayorship. Because that’s terrible spelling of the only word you needed to spell correctly to actually criticise me. I also never linked the mislabeling of the Gulf as destroying the planet. He is though…
He proclaimed that he will “OWN” Gaza through means of literal ethnic cleansing. He’s conspiring with Putin to help finalise his invasion of eastern Ukraine. He’s currently purging the Government of minorities and people he deems unloyal. Elon Musk is infiltrating and tearing up government departments as an unelected right-hand entity. His right-wing army are, by algorithm, shifting the western world easily into fascism. I could go on but I’m done with you.
Bottom line… pay attention.
Also… the fact that you put forward Trump was elected by majority of Americans is a straight out lie. Grow up.
Proud soyboi checkin in
Oh, I mistyped a word, while writing on my phone. That means I’m wrong, who did I miss that?!
Its also funny how you say Trump “is infiltrating and tearing down government departments”. Bro, he’s the president, everything he’s doing it’s in his powers. Did the previous president also “infiltrate” the government departments?
He’s “purging” the DEI hires, the people who are there just because of their skin color or sexual preferences, did you forget how the former white house speaker was “the first gay black woman”? That’s the only thing that recomended her.
I’m really curious how Trump being elected by the majority of the Americans is a lie, please enlighten me.
You need actual therapy
Again, this is one of the dumbest fucking wastes of money I’ve ever seen. Waste of labor from the top down. Waste of resources. This is purely a pride move. It’s the gulf of Mexico and always has been. There are American songs about the gulf of Mexico. It’s history. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, I fucking hate this timeline. This shit is wild. This stuff now days is a mockery of our world.
Look we’re wasting our hard earned tax payer money on crazy fraudulent things like science, education, weather, feeding children, helping the poor, medicine… Dumb things like that. And you’re gonna tell me that changing the name of a body of water to include the greatest God damn country in America is a waste? Next thing you know you’re gonna stand there and tell me that poor people should be able to afford a hospital visit.
Republicans are full of it anyway.
Study after study has shown that a nationalized healthcare system increases a nation’s GDP in the long run. After all, people who are unable to work due to sickness or death that were caused by preventable condition, don’t pay taxes.
For everyone else, not having to pay for private health care gives them more disposable income. Which means they spend it on other things which makes businesses more profitable.
Cancel all government contracts with google
And for the love of god do not switch over to another American company, or any company, go FOSS and decentralized
God I hope this happens, it will be absolutely hilarious when the GCP services on which MX infraestructure for telecommunications, research and development, industry, transportation, banking, agriculture, logistics and health is built up, crashes burning to the ground.
Restrict Google from doing business.in the country altogether.
Have phones switch to some open non Google platform
Fuck google, microsoft, apple, they’re all evil at this point
As a mexican I second this thought
I’m curious - how would they just “have phones switch”, and if that’s actually possible, to which “open non Google platform”?
Some android phones can run graphene OS, which is a privacy fork of android if I understand it correctly. Regulation to open bootloaders from manufacturers wanting to sell in the Mexican market would probably be possible. Might be the only good thing to come out of this if countries start regulating openness.
