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The history of large phones, from a technical standpoint:
- LTE required a lot more power than 2G/3G until efficiencies were improved, this required a larger battery to have comparable battery life, doubly so on the phones that ran two modems (mostly Verizon) one for 3G, one for 4G
- LTE required larger antennas as their low band frequencies were lower than previous cellular tech. (750MHz and later 600MHz vs 850MHz being the old lowest)
- Handset manufacturers then stopped making smaller product lines even after efficiencies improved
- People (“consumers”) realized they’d rather not buy a phone, tablet, watch, computer, anal implant, and preferred to just buy one device, settling on an oversized phone was enough between phone/tablet that they only needed to waste money on one device
- The market then went, “people prefer larger phones,” even though smaller phones were waning/outliers
- Tablets outside of Apple’s ostensibly died, although there are a few more choices these days that aren’t Apple
- Now phones have so many antennae
- WiFi/BT (which are often shared)
- WiFi 6 new band
- NFC
- Wireless charging coil
- Ultra Wideband
- 20 or 30 various cellular bands with 4x antennae for MIMO
- mmWave (in America)
- Phones also have gigantic camera systems (although since Samsung gave up on 10x optical, they shrunk slightly on that platform)
- “AI” stuff that requires more ML compute, and thus cooling and battery capacity, even though again, nobody wanted it
- All the metrics and analytics handset manufacturers constantly run on users, disabling all this alone would probably make your average phone last 3+ days
Since then, more and more people are trying to get flip phones, dumbphones, imported small phones, or giving up on phones entirely and switching to devices like the Lilygo T-Deck LoRaWAN device that has…dun dun dunnnnn…a literal BlackBerry keyboard, as people are sick of that fabled market deciding for them.
I loved small phones comeback in our society, but small phones has a little bit issue compared to normal sized phones nowadays like :
- Small battery capacity.
- Usually comes with shitty hardware.
- Small screen size means it’s only fit to used it for chat app (WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, etc…).
- Lack of apps support since many apps nowadays ship for normal size phone, phablet, & tablet
I’m… I’m using a flip phone
I have no problems with broken applications on my Zenfone 8
what do you mean by broken?
I’ve switched fully to a 3" Unihertz Jelly Star in September. It took A LOT of customization to get it to become the “Intent” device that I had wanted it to be. But by now, it makes all unwanted behavior sufficiently difficult while allowing all modern conveniences such as IM, payments, tickets, navigation etc.
I’ll do a proper blogpost series about it some day.
If consuming content is how you want to spend your energy & lifetime, then the bigger & brighter & more-HDR-than-life the better. I hope you find happiness. But if you at some point tire of not-creating and cannot stand spending your time as a targeted money-sack, then tiny phones are a good way out.
I just want Sony to re-release the Xperia XZ1 Compact with updated internals.
Because small phones suck. Every time my parents or my other older family members hand me their old tiny phone, I wonder how the heck they can even use them? Text entry, tapping on things, etc is so damned hard when everything’s so close together and my fingers are so fat.
Because fat fingers suck. Every time my parents or my other older family members use their ginormous phones, i wonder how the heck they can even use them? Text entry, tapping on things, etc is so damned hard when everything’s so close together for my fat fingers.
Jk ofc, i have a small phone, more than enough room for everything + you can scale things up/down however you want. Not ideal for playing games or watching movies, but i don’t use my phone for that.
I just want a dedicated headphone jack.
I finally had to retire my dying LG V30 that I wanted to keep forever because it had a headphone jack.
I like the power and build quality of flagship phones but no flagships have a headphone jack anymore so fuck em. I’m not gonna spend upwards of $1000 for a phone that doesn’t have the features I want.
I ended up buying a cheap Motorola that has a headphone jack, wireless charging, and an SD card slot. I do miss the AOD that is only available on OLED displays though. It’s a bit chonkier than I’d like but overall for 300 bucks I’m pretty happy.
What Motorola did you get?
Moto G Power 2025
Then buy a device that has one. The fact that so many models dropped it just made picking a new device so much easier because there’s less to choose from.
I pretty much had to buy Sony if I wanted to have a headphone jack. Phone was way too expensive so I hope it lasts a while, came with headphones included though
Because most of us don’t want to.
In case you want to be pissed off, the reason why iPhone mini didn’t sell is because when someone is conditioned to buy an iPhone, it is more profitable for sellers to literally lie about not having the cheapest option. More people will choose to buy an expensive phone, offsetting buyers who walk out because the mini isn’t being sold. Monopolies suck, and people who support them also suck.
yeah but I want the option and I’m upset I dont have it. my pockets are too small and every time I sit down in the car my damn phone falls out. Ive almost closed it in the door 4 times now
Lots of us are getting older so it’s harder to see on small phones. I’m gonna shill for those fold phones, honestly. Who needs a tablet when you can have this phone in your pocket? Full youtube screen with comments, outlook that lets you actually read the email while still seeing your inbox, tabs in your browser, folds up to let you use it as a regular phone when you’re not looking for more.
Sorry, I can’t go back at this point.
for many it is their primary interface to the internet. I have simply come to accept that flagship phones are no longer made for me.
When my S10e finally needs to become landfill I’ll be looking at e-ink phones not the latest and greatest tablet parading as a phone.
My current device has more features than most flagships despite not being one. Headphone jack, microSD, dual sim, removable battery, ip67, notification led, no camera bump …
What phone are you using? Those are the features I want in a phone but I couldn’t find anything that works on Verizon in North America.
S10E GANG S10E GANG Greatest phone ever made I’m using it until I get my identity stolen
Well the last security update was nearly two years ago, so unless you’ve found a good custom ROM then that might be sooner than you think ;)
Joking aside I do check every once in a while, there aren’t any critical vulnerabilities for the snapdragon variant yet
Good to know!
I can definitely recommend the kingkong mini
I’m still using an iPhone mini and I haven’t experienced any bad layouts, broken websites, or any difficulty like that. It has the same resolution of the biggest iPhone I’ve ever had (iPhone X) so things are smaller, which would make it a poor fit for someone with poor vision, but for me it’s an absolutely perfect phone. It’s frustrating to know that the perfect phone for me could easily exist, and yet Apple will refuse to make it for me. I’ll be stuck with phones I don’t like for the rest of my life, it seems.
I’d be willing to bet that most people in the world want a bigger phone.
I downsized to a iPhone 15 Pro from a iPhone 13 Pro Max thinking that I wanted a smaller phone, but I find myself missing it and planning to upgrade to the larger variety come the iPhone 17 launch. Typing has been an absolute nightmare for my hands on this smaller phone. I make more mistakes and it’s uncomfortable.
I also miss the larger screen size for viewing videos, but it’s not the end of the world there since I also have an iPad and other devices better suited for videos.
But people forget how the iPhones, in particular, were criticized by a lot of people, especially on the Android side, for not having as big of phones and Apple finally caved a few years after Steve passed. I think Steve Jobs is what held back iPhones to the smaller size they had for so long.
When I returned to a smaller phone, it felt small for like 5 days. Then it felt normal and fine. And it had better battery life and is easier to deal with all day long. I hate bigger phones
A larger phone is nicer to sit down and use with both hands, and while that is a primary use case for many people, it isn’t for me. I want my phone to emphasize portability and one-handed use.
I think there’s a viable market niche for a small phone, bi but I wonder if small phone customers might be unprofitable for other reasons.
I double tap my home button and the screen shinks down to one handed use. I do whatever I need with one hand, double tap again, and we’re back to full size. Only bad thing about the big phone is you need a big pocket.
I wonder if we get adaptable phones that have interchangeable screens, projection based interface, AR glasses/contacts with a powerful microprocessor, or neurolink direct feed into our optic nerve first
I went from a Note 9 to an iPhone 13 mini and have the opposite experience, the smaller and lighter phone is easier on the wrist and being able to reach most of the screen with just my thumb is pretty great.
Motorola razr 2024 when closed is the perfect small phone. Almost all apps work on the small square screen.
I have a Mode 7 Retro ii from Japan. The number pad? Useless. But it folds up and fits in my pocket, and is good enough. (Writing this on my tablet, so…)
Remember. Phones didn’t start increasing in size until you were able to watch porn on them.
With porn being available all the time, phones will start with huge screens.
Reminds me of this.
until you were able to watch porn
You mean you never watched 3gpp encoded 240p porn over WAP sites via a java browser on your dumb phone?
…what? Stop judging me.
I stacked DVD cases on the desk to act as a tripod while filming the computer screen. To hear audio it needed to be extremely loud while recording. Also, it’s quite boring having to actually sit thorough an entire porn video without skipping.
To make our dicks look small? Nice. Real nice.
