No, I mean ponder.cat was not on the allowlist earlier today. Check archive.org (I mean, you’ll have to trust me that what’s there from the 5th is also how it looked earlier today, but it was.)
Can confirm, it does look like it was rss.ponder.cat until recently. Stands to reason you raising the issue of no traffic other than rss earlier caused someone to notice and fix the error in the allow list. I don’t have any special insights, but it looks like it’s fixed now at least.
I have no idea why you keep referring to it as an error. It happened literally in the middle of a heated argument, my only real participation on Hexbear. You can go back and check the instance lists on archive.org from before and after the argument, or check the comments since I already sent you the exact timestamp of the last comment I received in that thread before things blipped into silence.
It doesn’t have to be a big deal, it’s just a random trivial issue. I’m just pointing out that you are hell-bent apparently on seeing things in one particular way even though there’s no evidence at all for it and strong evidence for the opposite. I’m just putting that out there. I think it would be to your benefit to examine that for a little bit.
You can go back and check the instance lists on archive.org from before and after the argument
archive.org only has back until jan 19, unless I’m missing something. Like I’m a pretty paranoid person, and it seems a bit too conspiratorial. Even if someone did switch it in the heat of the moment why would they change it to .rss instead of just removing it?
I’m not trying to make this a big deal, I just don’t see the whole conspiracy against you that you were portraying, it looks like at worst a misconfiguration of the allow list that got fixed.
I’ve been really badly tempted to post this to meanwhileongrad or something as an example of lemmy.ml critical thinking. There’s no “even if someone did switch it in the heat of the moment” about it. There’s no paranoia. It’s what happened. I’m not especially bothered, but it is absolutely not deniable.
I sent you the timestamp of the last comment mid-argument that got federated to me. You can check the two comments sections. You can look at archive.org from October 24, with ponder.cat on the allowlist. Then look at archive.org from November, with it switched to rss.ponder.cat. Look at the comments sections on the two instances.
Or, don’t, and just persist in whatever interpretation is most preferential to your friends and allies and willfully ignore any evidence to the contrary and call it “paranoia.” I think if that is your MO then I will feel comfortable just exiting, and letting you think whatever you think about reality. It’s clearly not productive for me to try to tell you anything if you’re having this much trouble in absorbing this much. Thank for you apologizing for the death threat I guess, I appreciate it. I will say also, I was definitely being a smug cockhead in the comments. I get why there was no friendly reception and I’m not happy reading my own conduct from back then.
Regardless: Like I say I would really recommend that you examine this closely, look over what I sent and ponder on it and rethink it through. There are other areas that you are missing in the same way, without the luck of having crystal-clear objective evidence for them that’s easy to check.
Thank for you apologizing for the death threat I guess, I appreciate it. I will say also, I was definitely being a smug cockhead in the comments. I get why there was no friendly reception and I’m not happy reading my own conduct from back then.
thanks for owning up to it, I’ve tried to dial my own behavior back a lot since landing here too.
I could use some clarification:
can you explain why they would change it to RSS instead of just deleting it? like what’s the benefit?
So my orientation isn’t generally to just assume bad faith from everyone, you can take that to be willful ignorance, but it’s also just an understanding that people can do impulsive things or make mistakes without it being a complete indictment of everyone they even associate with.
I’m not involved with maintaining any block/allow lists on any lemmy so I have no idea how it’s handled.
I really don’t see the motive, I did see that it switched from ponder.cat to rss.ponder.cat sometime between 10/24/24 and 11/11/24, I don’t see why they wouldn’t just ban you and defederate if there was some censorship goal.
When I navigate to through another instance to ponder.cat it also shows up as (community)@rss.ponder.cat, which is why it seems odd and unintuitive that it only works with ponder.cat rather than rss.ponder.cat in the linked instances list.
I don’t have any extra information, if this behavior that seems unintuitive is common knowledge maybe then it could be construed as retaliation, but to me it looks like a misunderstanding/configuration issue is at least as likely a culprit.
They took this poll 2 months ago and made the decision based on that, I don’t think they’re making decisions based on us talking now
https://hexbear.net/post/4473019
No, I mean ponder.cat was not on the allowlist earlier today. Check archive.org (I mean, you’ll have to trust me that what’s there from the 5th is also how it looked earlier today, but it was.)
Can confirm, it does look like it was rss.ponder.cat until recently. Stands to reason you raising the issue of no traffic other than rss earlier caused someone to notice and fix the error in the allow list. I don’t have any special insights, but it looks like it’s fixed now at least.
I have no idea why you keep referring to it as an error. It happened literally in the middle of a heated argument, my only real participation on Hexbear. You can go back and check the instance lists on archive.org from before and after the argument, or check the comments since I already sent you the exact timestamp of the last comment I received in that thread before things blipped into silence.
It doesn’t have to be a big deal, it’s just a random trivial issue. I’m just pointing out that you are hell-bent apparently on seeing things in one particular way even though there’s no evidence at all for it and strong evidence for the opposite. I’m just putting that out there. I think it would be to your benefit to examine that for a little bit.
archive.org only has back until jan 19, unless I’m missing something. Like I’m a pretty paranoid person, and it seems a bit too conspiratorial. Even if someone did switch it in the heat of the moment why would they change it to .rss instead of just removing it?
I’m not trying to make this a big deal, I just don’t see the whole conspiracy against you that you were portraying, it looks like at worst a misconfiguration of the allow list that got fixed.
I’ve been really badly tempted to post this to meanwhileongrad or something as an example of lemmy.ml critical thinking. There’s no “even if someone did switch it in the heat of the moment” about it. There’s no paranoia. It’s what happened. I’m not especially bothered, but it is absolutely not deniable.
I sent you the timestamp of the last comment mid-argument that got federated to me. You can check the two comments sections. You can look at archive.org from October 24, with ponder.cat on the allowlist. Then look at archive.org from November, with it switched to rss.ponder.cat. Look at the comments sections on the two instances.
Or, don’t, and just persist in whatever interpretation is most preferential to your friends and allies and willfully ignore any evidence to the contrary and call it “paranoia.” I think if that is your MO then I will feel comfortable just exiting, and letting you think whatever you think about reality. It’s clearly not productive for me to try to tell you anything if you’re having this much trouble in absorbing this much. Thank for you apologizing for the death threat I guess, I appreciate it. I will say also, I was definitely being a smug cockhead in the comments. I get why there was no friendly reception and I’m not happy reading my own conduct from back then.
Regardless: Like I say I would really recommend that you examine this closely, look over what I sent and ponder on it and rethink it through. There are other areas that you are missing in the same way, without the luck of having crystal-clear objective evidence for them that’s easy to check.
thanks for owning up to it, I’ve tried to dial my own behavior back a lot since landing here too.
I could use some clarification:
can you explain why they would change it to RSS instead of just deleting it? like what’s the benefit?
I have no idea. That’s what they did though.
So my orientation isn’t generally to just assume bad faith from everyone, you can take that to be willful ignorance, but it’s also just an understanding that people can do impulsive things or make mistakes without it being a complete indictment of everyone they even associate with.
I’m not involved with maintaining any block/allow lists on any lemmy so I have no idea how it’s handled.
As it stand looks like it’s working now, with allow list, I navigated to https://hexbear.net/c/diy_streams@rss.ponder.cat and it was initially empty, but eventually populated.
I really don’t see the motive, I did see that it switched from ponder.cat to rss.ponder.cat sometime between 10/24/24 and 11/11/24, I don’t see why they wouldn’t just ban you and defederate if there was some censorship goal.
When I navigate to through another instance to ponder.cat it also shows up as (community)@rss.ponder.cat, which is why it seems odd and unintuitive that it only works with ponder.cat rather than rss.ponder.cat in the linked instances list.
I don’t have any extra information, if this behavior that seems unintuitive is common knowledge maybe then it could be construed as retaliation, but to me it looks like a misunderstanding/configuration issue is at least as likely a culprit.