• Compadre de Ogum@lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    14
    ·
    1 year ago

    that is confusing. that sense can very well be communist. would i be wrong to presume you dont really know what are either of them?

    • GrandmasterFrank@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      19
      ·
      1 year ago

      Well “anarchist” can mean a lot of different things depending on the person so I find it more useful to just say what I agree or disagree with.

      • Compadre de Ogum@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        25
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        bro, you are commenting in a community called “moretankie196”, of a marxist-leninist instance whose name is inspired in a soviet city. we do care about concepts and definitions.

        you are very welcome to learn, with us, though :D

          • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            19
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Except that’s not what anarchism is, and you can’t just say “Anarchism is whatever my heart says it is”, by saying that it has a lot of different definitions to people. That’s not how definitions works, especially for a political ideology.

            • GrandmasterFrank@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              15
              ·
              1 year ago

              you can’t just say “Anarchism is whatever my heart says it is”,

              That’s unnecessarily aggressive, and not what I said at all.

              That’s not how definitions works, especially for a political ideology.

              Were it so easy.

              • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                18
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                Ad hominem deflection via tone policing is one of the weakest counter arguments there are. You can really do better, at least try to engage the main point next time, though that’s a bit difficult with no actual argument besides, “The definition is whatever I want it to be”.

                If that’s not what you said, then what does this mean?

                “Well “anarchist” can mean a lot of different things depending on the person“

                And yes, it is that easy. That’s the entire point of political theory. Whether it be Marxist-Leninist, Liberal, Neo-liberal, fascist, and yes, anarchist, they all have established definitions.

                • GrandmasterFrank@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  13
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  It’s not an ad hominem, and it wasn’t a counter argument, you were being unnecessarily rude when you could have just said “that’s not anarchism”. My counter argument was “that’s not what I said at all”.

                  You can really do better

                  Ironic.

                  If you’d like to define anarchism instead of playing debate club, I could let you know if that’s a label I agree with.

                  • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    13
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing#:~:text=Ignoring the truth or falsity,angry while still being rational.

                    It is ad hominem. It is the definition itself, avoiding the argument to focus on an unrelated aspect of the other person or delivery.

                    Also HAHAHAHA. The burden of prof does not lie on me to provide your majesty with a definition that you will deny no matter what I say.

                    Coming from Reddit is a hard transition mate, but this isn’t Reddit. We don’t do this here, have fun arguing with a brick wall. No one needs snarky one liners and debatebro logic.

                  • Red Wizard 🪄@lemmygrad.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    10
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    He doesn’t need to do that, actual anarchists have done so already, and if you took the time to read any foundational anarchist theory you would know what the definition is.

                    The only way anarchism has “different definitions to different people” is if they too were not interested in the theory and instead just the label, which is what this meme is about…

                    If you actually believed in dismantling unjust hierarchies you would understand that all hierarchies are unjust. Like the political hierarchy of the United States.

      • QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Exactly, some “anarchists” are just liberals who like to have an edgy/faux-radical flag and symbol (you), while others are communists with ideological differences who are still willing to work with us toward a similar goal.

        • GrandmasterFrank@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          1 year ago

          are just liberals who like to have an edgy/faux-radical flag and symbol (you),

          cool ad hominem but I never claimed to be an anarchist

          • QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            1 year ago

            Sorry, but I got the impression you were, as you repeatedly said you agreed with parts of anarchism and think anarchism can mean many things. If you consider being called “liberal” an ad hominem then what are you?

            • GrandmasterFrank@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              idk, I guess some flavor of socialist? DemSoc? I’ve never really sought out the perfect label, I prefer to just be pro/anti specific concepts or ideas.