House Republicans have voted down an effort to block immigration enforcers from using federal resources to detain or deport U.S. citizens.
During a House Judiciary Committee meeting on Wednesday, Democrats tabled amendments to a sweeping budget bill that President Donald Trump has dubbed “one big, beautiful bill.”
One amendment introduced by Representative Pramila Jayapal, the Democrat from Washington state, sought to make clear Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) cannot detain or deport U.S. citizens under any circumstances. GOP lawmakers killed that amendment.
I love how the “you have to vote for us every time no matter how far to the right we go” wing of the party demands decades of patient voting for their complicit republican-lite candidates before they’ll listen to their left, but they fall all over themselves trying to please republicans who will never vote for them.
You don’t have to in state or local elections. I’ve always told people to vote for whoever stands the best chance of winning no matter what party they’re from as long as they keep the fascist out. But when it comes to National presidential elections mathematically you have to. It’s just a fact.
I’m going to repeat the point you ignored because you prefer to lecture people who voted like you wanted instead.
It does not matter how many times progressives hold their noses and vote republican-lite like you want. The party will NEVER look at their loyalty and decide to listen to them. NOT EVER. The entire “just vote and we’ll listen, promise” thing has always been a filthy lie.
However, democrats seem willing to move to the right for absolutely no gain because the republicans whose votes they seek would rather vote for republicans. republicans don’t need to patiently vote for people who hate them for decades for a false promise that the party will listen. The party does nothing but listen to republicans, who don’t vote for democrats.
Now lecture me some more, but under no circumstances address my point.
As always, it’s hilarious that you think everyone else is the one ignoring anything. That’s a nice straw man built there and it’s nothing I’ve ever espoused or championed. The simple fact is when it comes to National presidential elections it is unfortunately a binary choice and you do have to choose between fascist and fascist light. That or just accept that you’re going to have fascist. That’s the simple point you always ignore. Why we spend so much time lecturing you. When you just get all pissy about it I don’t know. I guess it’s fun sometimes.
While we must hold our noses and do this for national presidential elections. We’ve never had to and I’ve never advocated for doing that at the local and state level. In fact far from it. I constantly advocate for taking over State parties and building them up. Or building completely new state parties to run people at the state and local level. But that’s what you always ignore.
Didn’t say it was, though your refusal to address it is pointing in that direction.
Because “put in decades of work at the state level while we keep moving right on the national level” is not a realistic solution in the face of rapidly entrenching fascism.
I literally addressed it in the next paragraph practically what are you even on about.
Tell that to the unions that felt Carter hadn’t done enough for them. Withholding their support and funding. They showed carter. He lost and the unions became irrelevant. And we had our first outright fascist in office with reagan. Tell that to all the people so uninfused with Al gore. He didn’t excite them enough he didn’t hold their hands enough despite having fantastic qualifications as a progressive and environmentalist. He just didn’t motivate the people and so we got our second fascist with Bush Jr. I could go on I mean literally what happened with Hillary Clinton yes she wasn’t inspirational no she wasn’t great but by that time so much damage had been done she was the best we could get unfortunately. And people chose Trump. And on and on and on.
We’ve had 50 years of people like yourself ignorantly trying to change things from the top down and failing. Hurting all of us. You spend decades organizing it a state level. You aren’t going to get this sort of s*** at the national level. That’s the point. Yes you have to hold your nose in the meantime. While you’re replacing all the jackasses that are the problem. But that is how you change it. Trying to force top-down change you’re just going to keep empowering fascists. I hope you’re enjoying the administration you helped.
Because people like you got everything they wanted at the national level and will fight your left and only your left to keep moving right.
I got nothing out of this election. I’m an anarchist, kiddo. I would like to see the national republican, Democrat and especially any aspirational Vanguard parties dissolved.
I never really advocated for a candidate either. I simply pointed out repeatedly that we would be getting either a Republican or a Democrat and we would prefer the democrat. I wasn’t wrong. Not that I care about being right. I would have loved to have been wrong. Living under a Harris Administration right now. I would gladly own up to the fact that my concerns about you all amplifying fascist and foreign propaganda. To pull Democrats down and giving the Republicans a path to Victory, was hyperbolic and uninformed. I bet you would have loved that too.
And yet, the wildly one-sided rhetoric you amplified. Not just amplified, but childishly harassed everyone who would point out what was going to happen, and did happen. Literally convinced many Palestinians to vote for the man who told Netanyahu to “finish it”. And for every single one of them that voted for Trump there were multiple that didn’t vote at all. That’s on you and people like yourself. All the more hilarious because you voted for Harris in the end as well. After you spend all that time attacking her and demotivating people from voting for her. You were played for a complete chump. And that sucks.
All acrimony aside. Honestly, I bet you and I agree more than we disagree. We all make mistakes. I dearly wish that Palestine had been one of the issues we had been voting on. It wasn’t, and that’s a tragedy. But the fact that you simply can’t own up to the fact that your sincere wishes for better things for Palestine. Were manipulated and used, along with the Democrats unforced errors. To cut the margins enough for trump to win. That’s the impasse here. You don’t have to acknowledge that anyone was right. Like I said, I’d gladly give up being right to be dissatisfied living under the Harris administration right now. Just acknowledge that you were used, that you’re aware you made a mistake. That going forward you won’t repeat it. If enough people like yourself did that. We might became a force to reckon with instead of a joke.
You’re blaming me for the loss Harris earned because I dared to criticize genocide on a platform full of pro-genocide centrists. I convinced none of them, least of all you. Face it, you just can’t abide any criticism whatsoever of whichever pro-genocide party you support.