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    what the fuck is this shite, tiananmen happened you fucking cunts cry me a river

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        want me to pull up the mass starvation records under mao or are yiu going to claim thats fake too, youre no better than a holocaust denier. fuck off

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          The average lifespan of the Chinese at the start of the revolution was 33 years of age, that’s how horrible things were under the British, Americans and other western imperialists exploiting the country. It went up DURING the revolution, a time of civil war between the communists and the ROC combined with a literally genocidal fascist invasion by the Japanese.

          Conditions were so bad that the communists still made people’s lives better during those horrendous circumstances. By the time the new country was founded it had risen to 45 years, and by the time Mao died in 1976 it had risen to 62 years of age.

          Were things just peachy during this time? No. Did they consistently improve the lives of the people? Yes. Were things significantly worse beforehand? 100%.


          The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.

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            global lifespans around the world have gone up, this isnt a totally fair argument. as they say, high tides lift all boats. british colonialists are notoriously evil, i wont defend them. i will have to look into uour comment more, thanks for the info. but on zedong, he was a cutthroat dictator and is succeeded by another and another and (etc. etc.), we’re still seeing genocides today with the ugyhurs for example in tibet and forceful annexations with hong kong, tibet, taiwan (soon?), large sea expanses, etc… china’s economic success does not excuse ethnofascism

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              Can you tell me what the life expectancy is in capitalist Nigeria please? Which France is attempting to get to invade Niger to stop them from becoming free of colonialism.

              Capitalism has yet to improve the lives of people. It functions to maintain itself and provide wealth extraction from the labour of the working class, in the global south it functions to export that wealth into the imperialist western nations which act as an empire bloc.

              he was a cutthroat dictator

              Nah man. You don’t really know this, you’ve just heard it repeated by hundreds and hundreds of reddit comments over and over again without actually investigating it properly from proper sources instead of propaganda. You also probably come from a country that has a deeply anticommunist problem. Here in the UK viewing Mao as having done more good than harm is normal among the left. It is the right and particularly the far right nationalists that scream all this bullshit. Here I can even show you elected mp Diane Abbot defending Mao on national TV (surrounding by right wing psychos). Or then Shadow Chancellor of the Treasury John McDonald throwing Mao’s little red book on the table in Parliament giving a speech in front of the labour party.

              Mao played a pivotal role in freeing the country from colonialism, establishing new china, redistributing wealth and land and improving the lives of the people. Anyone that believes those lives were going to improve without revolution is crazy. Was he perfect? Fuck no he definitely made mistakes like killing the Sparrows which they quickly backtracked on. But was he good? Fuck yes. 70% good, 30% mistakes.

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          mass starvation records under mao

          You mean the last Chinese famine, after a thousand years of recurring famines which happened under every Chinese regime, and were solved once and for all by the end of the Great Leap Forward? Yes let’s talk about those.

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            youre making it soumd like tens of millions starving to death is a win

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                global rising tides lift all boats. plus if all of your weak and eldery stave to death and youre left with only the fitter people then yeah youll have highrr life expectancies. pretty fucjed up way to do it though

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                    you have daily 100 apples and 150 people, you try to ration but enough weaker and older people die to where theres only 90 people for your 100 apples, everyone lives now. having tens of millions die to meet supply and demand isnt an accomplishment

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        Akshually sweaty, according to the intense and very legitimate research of the victims of communism foundation every one of those 10,000 theoretical victims would have had 10,000 good anti-communist childre, who would have had 10,000 children, so really the ICUP killed THIRTY INFINITY PEOPLE, including all of the neanderthals and DB Cooper!

        What do you have to say to that, tankie!?!?!

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        how tf does anyome invent 10K dead people??? they had fucjing families yiu moron yiu can go ask them yiurself you degenerate shithead. stop sucking off some dictators cock

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          Yeah, you can. Except… 10k people, there’s actually only a couple of primary sources for that number who claim to be there. I realise that every lib expat from China will claim that they had a family member in the protests who died, but very few are willing to go on the record even with Western protection.

          The thing is, the vast vast vast majority of people who believe “10k dead” haven’t engaged with primary sources (people that actually saw what was going on at Tiananmen Square). The western journalists who were present don’t believe the 10k number, even though they aren’t CPC shills.

          Why am I even responding to this? I literally have been in those spaces and asked, all without sucking Xi’s dick, let alone Deng’s or whatever.

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            I don’t think the 10k tank murder jelly massacre guy was even in the square. All the people who were in the square report pretty much the same thing - Soldiers asked the students to leave, all the students held hands and peacefully left. The fighting was blocks away between PLA soldiers, many unarmed, and a small group of insurgents armed with molotovs and stolen guns.

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          you removed shithead. stop sucking off some dictators cock

          Liberals really come in screaming slurs and being homophobic in a predominantly queer instance and expect to be taken seriously

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            i have no idea if youre a man or woman, sucking someones cock is a known idiom for bejng a sycophant. fuck off with your bad faith argument. i never even claimed to be a liberal? stop larping

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              sucking someones cock is a known idiom for bejng a sycophant

              It’s almost like there’s some sort of homophobia and/or misogyny inherent in the idea that sucking someone off is a disgusting thing to be looked down on, you know, it’s almost like phrases stem from pre existing societal preconceptions thinkin-lenin

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                oh for fucks sake, i never claimed that every single case of blowjobs are immoral or ‘disgusting’, youre twisting words and you know it. other synonyms of this idiom (which is in relation to being a sycophant, not a gay or a woman?!?) are kiss ass, bootlicker, simp, (i could go on). this is a known idiom and you have all intentionally twisted words.

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          Some dipshits just made it up out of thing air way back when the whole thing went down. Like just completely made it up, along with the bullshit about tanks running over people in the square and all kinds of other BS.

          Also, gulag

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      Have you ever tried… Reading anything? Other than comment sections I mean.

      Even western sources agree with us. The only place that continues to spread the mythological bullshit narrative that was first dreamt up about it is reddit. Everyone else, even the western press, has accepted that the Chinese narrative is more accurate.

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

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      lmao you wanna try that again without any slurs? you forgot to put your mask on before coming into the discussion, dronie

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        what mask? i dont care if your feelings are in a twist youre literally denying the deaths of thousans of teenage protestors under a regime. talk to the families of the victims holy shit you asshole

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            oh yeah cause i can totally speak fluent mandarin. do you believe the moon landinf happened? did you personallt speak with armstrong??? do you believe the atom bomb went off in hiroshima, did you speak to the people there??? the fact that there are witnesses doesnt mean you need to go speak to every one of them to confirm an event that obviouslt happened did happen otherwise history would become impossible.

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        thats a perverted bastardisation of my argument and you know it, im angry cause youre lying about a massacre that did happen not happening