The average lifespan of the Chinese at the start of the revolution was 33 years of age, that’s how horrible things were under the British, Americans and other western imperialists exploiting the country. It went up DURING the revolution, a time of civil war between the communists and the ROC combined with a literally genocidal fascist invasion by the Japanese.
Conditions were so bad that the communists still made people’s lives better during those horrendous circumstances. By the time the new country was founded it had risen to 45 years, and by the time Mao died in 1976 it had risen to 62 years of age.
Were things just peachy during this time? No. Did they consistently improve the lives of the people? Yes. Were things significantly worse beforehand? 100%.
The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.
global lifespans around the world have gone up, this isnt a totally fair argument. as they say, high tides lift all boats. british colonialists are notoriously evil, i wont defend them. i will have to look into uour comment more, thanks for the info. but on zedong, he was a cutthroat dictator and is succeeded by another and another and (etc. etc.), we’re still seeing genocides today with the ugyhurs for example in tibet and forceful annexations with hong kong, tibet, taiwan (soon?), large sea expanses, etc… china’s economic success does not excuse ethnofascism
Can you tell me what the life expectancy is in capitalist Nigeria please? Which France is attempting to get to invade Niger to stop them from becoming free of colonialism.
Capitalism has yet to improve the lives of people. It functions to maintain itself and provide wealth extraction from the labour of the working class, in the global south it functions to export that wealth into the imperialist western nations which act as an empire bloc.
he was a cutthroat dictator
Nah man. You don’t really know this, you’ve just heard it repeated by hundreds and hundreds of reddit comments over and over again without actually investigating it properly from proper sources instead of propaganda. You also probably come from a country that has a deeply anticommunist problem. Here in the UK viewing Mao as having done more good than harm is normal among the left. It is the right and particularly the far right nationalists that scream all this bullshit. Here I can even show you elected mp Diane Abbot defending Mao on national TV (surrounding by right wing psychos). Or then Shadow Chancellor of the Treasury John McDonald throwing Mao’s little red book on the table in Parliament giving a speech in front of the labour party.
Mao played a pivotal role in freeing the country from colonialism, establishing new china, redistributing wealth and land and improving the lives of the people. Anyone that believes those lives were going to improve without revolution is crazy. Was he perfect? Fuck no he definitely made mistakes like killing the Sparrows which they quickly backtracked on. But was he good? Fuck yes. 70% good, 30% mistakes.
You mean the last Chinese famine, after a thousand years of recurring famines which happened under every Chinese regime, and were solved once and for all by the end of the Great Leap Forward? Yes let’s talk about those.
global rising tides lift all boats. plus if all of your weak and eldery stave to death and youre left with only the fitter people then yeah youll have highrr life expectancies. pretty fucjed up way to do it though
you have daily 100 apples and 150 people, you try to ration but enough weaker and older people die to where theres only 90 people for your 100 apples, everyone lives now. having tens of millions die to meet supply and demand isnt an accomplishment
Akshually sweaty, according to the intense and very legitimate research of the victims of communism foundation every one of those 10,000 theoretical victims would have had 10,000 good anti-communist childre, who would have had 10,000 children, so really the ICUP killed THIRTY INFINITY PEOPLE, including all of the neanderthals and DB Cooper!
how tf does anyome invent 10K dead people??? they had fucjing families yiu moron yiu can go ask them yiurself you degenerate shithead. stop sucking off some dictators cock
i have no idea if youre a man or woman, sucking someones cock is a known idiom for bejng a sycophant. fuck off with your bad faith argument. i never even claimed to be a liberal? stop larping
Yeah, you can. Except… 10k people, there’s actually only a couple of primary sources for that number who claim to be there. I realise that every lib expat from China will claim that they had a family member in the protests who died, but very few are willing to go on the record even with Western protection.
The thing is, the vast vast vast majority of people who believe “10k dead” haven’t engaged with primary sources (people that actually saw what was going on at Tiananmen Square). The western journalists who were present don’t believe the 10k number, even though they aren’t CPC shills.
Why am I even responding to this? I literally have been in those spaces and asked, all without sucking Xi’s dick, let alone Deng’s or whatever.
I don’t think the 10k tank murder jelly massacre guy was even in the square. All the people who were in the square report pretty much the same thing - Soldiers asked the students to leave, all the students held hands and peacefully left. The fighting was blocks away between PLA soldiers, many unarmed, and a small group of insurgents armed with molotovs and stolen guns.
i have no idea if youre a man or woman, sucking someones cock is a known idiom for bejng a sycophant. fuck off with your bad faith argument. i never even claimed to be a liberal? stop larping
sucking someones cock is a known idiom for bejng a sycophant
It’s almost like there’s some sort of homophobia and/or misogyny inherent in the idea that sucking someone off is a disgusting thing to be looked down on, you know, it’s almost like phrases stem from pre existing societal preconceptions
oh for fucks sake, i never claimed that every single case of blowjobs are immoral or ‘disgusting’, youre twisting words and you know it. other synonyms of this idiom (which is in relation to being a sycophant, not a gay or a woman?!?) are kiss ass, bootlicker, simp, (i could go on). this is a known idiom and you have all intentionally twisted words.
Some dipshits just made it up out of thing air way back when the whole thing went down. Like just completely made it up, along with the bullshit about tanks running over people in the square and all kinds of other BS.
i looked it up, most estimates hit the 2700-3000 range but cant be sure due to chinese censorship. theres an advocacy group by victims families to identify all the dead but it’s been halted by the ccp for obvious reasons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Mothers
Have you ever tried… Reading anything? Other than comment sections I mean.
Even western sources agree with us. The only place that continues to spread the mythological bullshit narrative that was first dreamt up about it is reddit. Everyone else, even the western press, has accepted that the Chinese narrative is more accurate.
‘everything china does is 100% good and they never ever do bad and theyre not a dictatorship’. you will not be mentally free until you accept every world power has been evil, is evil, and will be evil. they are ran by humans. china is currently commiting genocide, i could show you the much evidence and youd just say it’s fake. you could talk to the families but youd just say theyre planted. nothing will satisfy you.
what mask? i dont care if your feelings are in a twist youre literally denying the deaths of thousans of teenage protestors under a regime. talk to the families of the victims holy shit you asshole
oh yeah cause i can totally speak fluent mandarin.
do you believe the moon landinf happened? did you personallt speak with armstrong??? do you believe the atom bomb went off in hiroshima, did you speak to the people there??? the fact that there are witnesses doesnt mean you need to go speak to every one of them to confirm an event that obviouslt happened did happen otherwise history would become impossible.
what the fuck is this shite, tiananmen happened you fucking cunts cry me a river
Anti-Communists: “communists are all brainwashed to ignore evidence!”
Anti communists when faced with the evidence:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Mothers
please contact the families of the dead yourself you heartless fuck
So you’re not going to answer my question?
'Anti-Communists: “communists are all brainwashed to ignore evidence!”
Anti communists when faced with the evidence:’
whats the question?
Replied to the wrong comment, what I meant to say to you is
what
want me to pull up the mass starvation records under mao or are yiu going to claim thats fake too, youre no better than a holocaust denier. fuck off
The average lifespan of the Chinese at the start of the revolution was 33 years of age, that’s how horrible things were under the British, Americans and other western imperialists exploiting the country. It went up DURING the revolution, a time of civil war between the communists and the ROC combined with a literally genocidal fascist invasion by the Japanese.
Conditions were so bad that the communists still made people’s lives better during those horrendous circumstances. By the time the new country was founded it had risen to 45 years, and by the time Mao died in 1976 it had risen to 62 years of age.
Were things just peachy during this time? No. Did they consistently improve the lives of the people? Yes. Were things significantly worse beforehand? 100%.
The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.
global lifespans around the world have gone up, this isnt a totally fair argument. as they say, high tides lift all boats. british colonialists are notoriously evil, i wont defend them. i will have to look into uour comment more, thanks for the info. but on zedong, he was a cutthroat dictator and is succeeded by another and another and (etc. etc.), we’re still seeing genocides today with the ugyhurs for example in tibet and forceful annexations with hong kong, tibet, taiwan (soon?), large sea expanses, etc… china’s economic success does not excuse ethnofascism
Can you tell me what the life expectancy is in capitalist Nigeria please? Which France is attempting to get to invade Niger to stop them from becoming free of colonialism.
Capitalism has yet to improve the lives of people. It functions to maintain itself and provide wealth extraction from the labour of the working class, in the global south it functions to export that wealth into the imperialist western nations which act as an empire bloc.
Nah man. You don’t really know this, you’ve just heard it repeated by hundreds and hundreds of reddit comments over and over again without actually investigating it properly from proper sources instead of propaganda. You also probably come from a country that has a deeply anticommunist problem. Here in the UK viewing Mao as having done more good than harm is normal among the left. It is the right and particularly the far right nationalists that scream all this bullshit. Here I can even show you elected mp Diane Abbot defending Mao on national TV (surrounding by right wing psychos). Or then Shadow Chancellor of the Treasury John McDonald throwing Mao’s little red book on the table in Parliament giving a speech in front of the labour party.
Mao played a pivotal role in freeing the country from colonialism, establishing new china, redistributing wealth and land and improving the lives of the people. Anyone that believes those lives were going to improve without revolution is crazy. Was he perfect? Fuck no he definitely made mistakes like killing the Sparrows which they quickly backtracked on. But was he good? Fuck yes. 70% good, 30% mistakes.
Your comment is legitimately incoherent.
You mean the last Chinese famine, after a thousand years of recurring famines which happened under every Chinese regime, and were solved once and for all by the end of the Great Leap Forward? Yes let’s talk about those.
youre making it soumd like tens of millions starving to death is a win
Quick questions, what was the life expectancy when Mao came to power? And what was it when he left?
global rising tides lift all boats. plus if all of your weak and eldery stave to death and youre left with only the fitter people then yeah youll have highrr life expectancies. pretty fucjed up way to do it though
You’re literally trying to argue that people dying younger raises life expectancy, just give up man.
you have daily 100 apples and 150 people, you try to ration but enough weaker and older people die to where theres only 90 people for your 100 apples, everyone lives now. having tens of millions die to meet supply and demand isnt an accomplishment
Yes pull up your CIA statistics so I can wipe my ass with it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Mothers wipe your ass with the mothers of the dead kids you degenerate wanker
wah wah go starve commie
I am going to be so exited to report you to the secret police for extra rations when China takes over America and enforces Juche law
ohhh nooo and the democractic chinese will totally not do fascistic things to me :(
I am glad we agree then
your ideologues sure fucking did when no one got massacred at the tiananmen square
Gonna cry about 10k invented dead people? ok, it’s good to let emotions out sometimes
Akshually sweaty, according to the intense and very legitimate research of the victims of communism foundation every one of those 10,000 theoretical victims would have had 10,000 good anti-communist childre, who would have had 10,000 children, so really the ICUP killed THIRTY INFINITY PEOPLE, including all of the neanderthals and DB Cooper!
What do you have to say to that, tankie!?!?!
thats not satirising a single talking point. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Mothers
how tf does anyome invent 10K dead people??? they had fucjing families yiu moron yiu can go ask them yiurself you degenerate shithead. stop sucking off some dictators cock
Liberals and suddenly becoming homophobic when confronted with different views on geopolitics name a more iconic duo.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds, as they say.
name a single democractic communist country that lasted over 4 years.
i have no idea if youre a man or woman, sucking someones cock is a known idiom for bejng a sycophant. fuck off with your bad faith argument. i never even claimed to be a liberal? stop larping
A homophobic/misogynistic idiom yes.
Yeah, you can. Except… 10k people, there’s actually only a couple of primary sources for that number who claim to be there. I realise that every lib expat from China will claim that they had a family member in the protests who died, but very few are willing to go on the record even with Western protection.
The thing is, the vast vast vast majority of people who believe “10k dead” haven’t engaged with primary sources (people that actually saw what was going on at Tiananmen Square). The western journalists who were present don’t believe the 10k number, even though they aren’t CPC shills.
Why am I even responding to this? I literally have been in those spaces and asked, all without sucking Xi’s dick, let alone Deng’s or whatever.
I don’t think the 10k tank murder jelly massacre guy was even in the square. All the people who were in the square report pretty much the same thing - Soldiers asked the students to leave, all the students held hands and peacefully left. The fighting was blocks away between PLA soldiers, many unarmed, and a small group of insurgents armed with molotovs and stolen guns.
Do you know the 10k dead figure comes from a British diplomat who said “a friend told me” as his source and he later admitted he just made it up.
Liberals really come in screaming slurs and being homophobic in a predominantly queer instance and expect to be taken seriously
i have no idea if youre a man or woman, sucking someones cock is a known idiom for bejng a sycophant. fuck off with your bad faith argument. i never even claimed to be a liberal? stop larping
It’s almost like there’s some sort of homophobia and/or misogyny inherent in the idea that sucking someone off is a disgusting thing to be looked down on, you know, it’s almost like phrases stem from pre existing societal preconceptions
oh for fucks sake, i never claimed that every single case of blowjobs are immoral or ‘disgusting’, youre twisting words and you know it. other synonyms of this idiom (which is in relation to being a sycophant, not a gay or a woman?!?) are kiss ass, bootlicker, simp, (i could go on). this is a known idiom and you have all intentionally twisted words.
Some dipshits just made it up out of thing air way back when the whole thing went down. Like just completely made it up, along with the bullshit about tanks running over people in the square and all kinds of other BS.
Also,
i looked it up, most estimates hit the 2700-3000 range but cant be sure due to chinese censorship. theres an advocacy group by victims families to identify all the dead but it’s been halted by the ccp for obvious reasons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Mothers
Have you ever tried… Reading anything? Other than comment sections I mean.
Even western sources agree with us. The only place that continues to spread the mythological bullshit narrative that was first dreamt up about it is reddit. Everyone else, even the western press, has accepted that the Chinese narrative is more accurate.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/
The Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 deaths. shut the fuck up??? if no massacre took place why cant chinese people discuss it?
they can, they do quite often lmao
that’s another thing you got from reddit
thats a lie, everything they can censor is censored, sure you could get away with saying it in a field in the middle of nowhere but you can get away with sayinf anythung like that https://www.nbcnews.com/video/what-happens-when-you-google-tiananmen-square-in-china-273675331595
well…tiananmen happened, the thing that didn’t happen was the massacre
sure and xi jinping can fly with his arms
Do you have a source for that?
it was revealed to me in a dream
Coming in screaming slurs to own the tankies
oh yes, china, the renowned ethnostate leads the way on civil discourse.
“Ethnostate”. Good lord, liberals really don’t know that words mean things.
two words, ugyhur muslims
That is two words, good job!
you disrespectful shit theres a genocide of thwm in tibet and you know it
Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were a bit account.
Yeah they are but it’s not even a funny bit
‘everything china does is 100% good and they never ever do bad and theyre not a dictatorship’. you will not be mentally free until you accept every world power has been evil, is evil, and will be evil. they are ran by humans. china is currently commiting genocide, i could show you the much evidence and youd just say it’s fake. you could talk to the families but youd just say theyre planted. nothing will satisfy you.
lmao you wanna try that again without any slurs? you forgot to put your mask on before coming into the discussion, dronie
what mask? i dont care if your feelings are in a twist youre literally denying the deaths of thousans of teenage protestors under a regime. talk to the families of the victims holy shit you asshole
What mask indeed.
So when did you talk to these thousands of families?
oh yeah cause i can totally speak fluent mandarin. do you believe the moon landinf happened? did you personallt speak with armstrong??? do you believe the atom bomb went off in hiroshima, did you speak to the people there??? the fact that there are witnesses doesnt mean you need to go speak to every one of them to confirm an event that obviouslt happened did happen otherwise history would become impossible.
There was a protest, there was no massacre. Sorry the facts hurt your feelings
Why would you get angry at the fact that there’s less massacres?
thats a perverted bastardisation of my argument and you know it, im angry cause youre lying about a massacre that did happen not happening