I commented the following on this post problem is not Netanyahu, it is not Ben Gvir. it is the white supremacist mindset of Israeli public.
This is not new, extremists gain power, they are then making everything they can to stay in power while they slowly turn anyone they can to their side. They use the education system, political systems, laws and the media. Considering that Netanyahu has been in power since 2009 he has literally shaped the political and moral ideology of a significant part of the population. Imagine being 10 yo at 2009, by the time you van vote all you ever knew was Netanyahu. At the end of the day, an adult that is calling for genocide is responsible for their opinions and actions, but this is how a situation where a majority of a country if genocidal happens, with slow, steady and intentional manipulation of the public. Netanyahu and his terrorist goons ARE the problem, but at this point removing them from power is just a small part of the solution. As a kid I always wandered how people can truly think a genocide is a good idea, as an adult I am sad to see that it really is that easy, it really can start with just the wrong people gaining power. And just to be fair, this is very much true about Palestine as well. While the situation is completely different, they too have been under a genocidal and terroristic regime since 2006 and many (probably most) would answer similarly to such a questionnaire about Israelis and Jews. Of course Palestine have had the short end of the stick for all of those years while Israel got to become a developed country. It’s just sad to see how the people in power just fuck everyone around them, no one wins, no one is happy, all you get is death, hate and destruction, and of course the reason for all of this: Money, religion, power.
I don’t know how to check who the mod was but it seems that they are removing plenty of content, some of which seems to be content that just doesn’t support a black and white view of the situation where Palestinians are the only victims and Israelis are all evil (not excusing genocide here)
And the weird thing is that rule one has nothing to do with the comment:
The difference between Israeli violence against Palestinians and Palestinian violence against Israelis is that Israel colonized Palestine.
I’m tired of liberals both-sidesing this bullshit, not only on the internet as a whole but on fucking !Palestine@lemmy.ml? YDI.
YDI.
Anyone who “both sides” a genocide not only deserves to be banned from a community for the oppressed people, but they are also a shit human being and a liberal. This is peak .world behavior, the only thing it’s missing is someone whining about CiViLiTy.
TLDR: you disgust me, I hope your shoelaces never stay tied, you step in dog shit every time you go outside, and you get an itchy rash that never goes away and covers half your face.
You try to equate the oppresor violence with the oppresed violence due to desperation and being oppressed for 57 years. Consciensly or not this is apologia to colonization.
I think you deserve it
I get what you are saying, but I don’t think that is actually in the comment I made. My commebt was about the problem of accusing the public as it lumps groups that some of which ate actually fighting against the genocide.
I don’t like comparing atrocities, but yeah, genocide is worse. So I don’t understand why you assume I see both sides as equal?
I don’t think that is actually in the comment I made.
This you?
And just to be fair, this is very much true about Palestine as well. While the situation is completely different, they too have been under a genocidal and terroristic regime since 2006
I could have sworn that was you.
YDI.
Edgy liberals fuck off.
Netanyahu and his terrorist goons ARE the problem
No, this is complete reductionism that ignores/denies 100+ years of history. This didn’t start in 2006 FFS. Nobody wants to hear this BS. YDI.
they too have been under a genocidal and terroristic regime since 2006
No they haven’t. There is only one genocide happening in palestine. Get a clue. YDI again.
while Israel got to become a developed country
I think you mean while “israel” murdered people to steal land and resources while funded by global imperialism… YDI again.
The post was deleted by an admin [1] and the ‘rule 1’ should be the instance rule 1:
- No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
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Your comment on the Palestinian community, in my opinion, is a poor analysis of the historical and material conditions that have led to the current situation in Palestine. It ignores Zionism, colonialism, and the structural racism of Israel, both as a Zionist political project initially and as an effective state later.
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You repeatedly use ‘they’ in your comment, with these ‘they’ being the extremists. My interpretation of your comment is that it starts from the hypothesis that ‘extremism is bad’. I totally disagree. Often the extremists have been the vanguard of progress (people who believed that the earth revolved around the sun, ‘liberals’ willing to risk their lives cutting off the heads of kings and bishops…), although they can also be the vanguard of reaction (e.g. fascism).
If points 1 and 2 are correct, the violation of rule 1 is easily derived (dog-whistle, Zionist apology, anti-Palestinian resistance…).
IMHO, this only justifies deleting an elaborate comment if the community is defined as a safe space for Palestinians, they justifiably believe you are trolling, or they are flooded with similar messages. Otherwise, what the admin should have done is down-vote and reply for what they consider your argument to be toxic.
PTB/BPR
I’m not a historian, I will probably make mistakes and I am open to conversation and criticism.
There is a lot of history here that I am not mentioning in the comment.
My comment was really about the fact that this lumping of groups is part of the problem. If 65% of Israelis are pro genocide that still leaves 3.4 million people that are presumably against it. Understanding that once a genocidal leader is in power for long enough, it absolutely can lead to hatred filled brainwashing which makes more of the population genocidal and this is how we get to such high numbers.
And I say this is true about Palestine as well because you hear the same BS from pro Israel people who claim that because so many Palestinians are celebrating Hamas they must all be genocidal, which probably means that they are actually ignoring some hundreds of thousands of people who do want peace.
Without getting into the past, you have to acknowledge that these broad accusations are part of the problem.
As for the extremists part, I specifically mean genocidal people, not just any extremists. I am well aware that extremists always have been and always will be a critical part of positive change.
You made an attempt to draw false equivalence between the victims and perpetrators. YDI.
not excusing genocide here
Yes you do. Quit bothsiding a genocide it’s not that hard.
People in charge can’t deny the genocide anymore so they’re trying to say hamas is genocidal so they can pretend it was self defense all along
Just reading the “Violence” section of the Hamas Wikipedia page is enough to know you are full of it.
Sorry but both leadership sides are genocidal, one of them is just more capable of mass destruction
Genocidee have the right to armed resistance against colonizers, idiot.
Sorry but did the people born 20 years ago in Israel (and some of them were against war and pro Palestine) bare any blame for the terrible history that happened before they existed?
Fighting the IDF? Sure, the government? Sure, but the people who had no control over this?
You are part of the problem, you are part of the cycle of hate that has kept wars going for all of human history. Be kind and hate those who are responsible, not those who are unlucky enough to be born there.
did the people born 20 years ago in Israel (and some of them were against war and pro Palestine) bare any blame for the terrible history that happened before they existed?
They will be in the Israel Genocides Forces (aka IDF) now --at least jews, and druzes and Circassian men-- masskilling people (except a minority disobeying their apartheit laws).
Okay, those born 15 years ago? Those who didn’t serve? Those who oppose the genocide?
Sure, we should support anyone resisting the genocide. I know some great people who grew up in “israel” and resist genocide, fascism, etc. They’re an extremely small minority and they fled to USA because of being imprisoned, threatened with death, etc. by an overwhelming majority of genocidal fascists.
But that’s not what your comment was about at all. You keep mentioning that here but that’s not what you said. You didn’t say anything at all about israeli resistance.
My point was just that by making these broad accusations you just continue the cycle. Accusing all Israelis of the genocide is like accusing all Palestinians of the 7th. We shouldn’t discount the innocent, even if they are a minority.
This is the language of extermination.
Mine?
You’re the one chastising people for resisting their own extinction. Only fight a little bit you say that way they’re all exterminated without you having to face it. The complete destruction of a people sounds like such an inconvenience for you. Quiet and slow genocide Is so much easier to digest right?
What are you talking about? I am literally just saying that murdering innocent people is wrong. Are telling me that when Hamas shot a friendly dog that was resistance against occupation? That killing children is part of the solution? If you are then you are no better than the other side. No genocide is okay, no killing of innocent is okay. Is that really that hard to accept?
Hamas said they would drop arms once occupation end
So? That has nothing to do with their vile actions
Zios won’t drop arms until every palestinian is dead or cleansed.
There vile actions is the product of 57 years of occupation and not blind hate for jews like tou try to claim
Are you saying that the 7th wasn’t fueled by hate?
I get the history, but just as you can’t ignore it, you also can’t use it to justify atrocious actions
After several decades of death, rape, and genocide at the hands of Israelis, that hate is totally justified and perfectly fair. It absolutely justifies using whatever violence is necessary to free their people.
Fine, I accept your opinion, but you have to accept that you just logically justified killing children.
No , i am saying the hate was fueled by 57 years of occupation
I’m not denying the horrible history, but it absolutely does not justify the murder of innocent people.
People seem to be saying YDI with arguments that essentially come down to OP being wrong/ignorant. But even if that’s true, it’s not actually relevant. Most of what they were saying was just sharing their perspective, which by default should be allowed. If it’s a bad take, downvote or argue in the comments or whatever. A comment should only be removed for things like being rule-breaking, something intolerable like CP, off-topic, doxxing, spam, ban-evasion, or perhaps a flagrant example of bad faith or personal attacks to the point of being harassment.
OP’s comments were none of those things. Someone said that the ban was referencing instance rule 1 rather than community rule 1 but that still wouldn’t apply. OP was not racist (or any other prohibited -ist). Essentially they have been saying the dominant powers in both Israel and Palestine have been exploiting their people and maintaining a culture of hatred to the other side, and that doing so is bad. Again, you may disagree with that assessment but it’s not racism. They were careful to direct criticism to particular political groups and individuals. The residents of the countries were presented as victims, as deserving of sympathy as anyone else in an awful situation.
PTB
Thank you, it is annoying how no one here actually focused on the point of this community. I respect peoples opinions and passion to share them, but I didn’t come here to argue about the political issues, I came here to see if I did something wrong or is the mod really just disagreeing with me and abusing their power.
I believe in free speech, I respect the freedom of each user here to express their opinion. I don’t believe that mod shares my free speech opinions.
P. S
Anyone who agrees with shutting down those who express opinions different from their own is not actually helping their cause. You want me to see the fault in my views? Talk to me! You want an echo chamber? Ban me 🤷♂️
I didn’t come here to argue about the political issues
If that were true, then you wouldn’t have tried relitigating your position in the OP.
You tried to “both sides” a genocide, on a comm for the people being murdered. Not only did YDI, but you’re a shit person as well. Let me guess though, you voted liberal in the last election?
