Firstly, thank you for accepting me into the community. Within the last few weeks I came to the realisation that there is no such thing as a healthy, stable, capitalist society. I want to learn more about communism because it could be a real alternative to the frankly poor conditions of working class life in the UK (and any other capitalist country).

There is one thing that stands out to me here that I’d like to understand because it’s a little jarring. In a few places (e.g. https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9012898/6943775) on the topic of Russia, specifically the war, people seem to believe the invasion was justified and that the Ukraine government is Nazi? Why? From my point of view, which I do admit is going to have inherent Western/NATO bias because I live in the UK, is that this is an example of Russian imperialism. If the US invaded Canada, or the UK invaded France, it would rightly be considered a travesty. Why is Russia not given the same treatment? After all, it is not communist any more and it is working class people being sent to die in this war.

Shouldn’t the modern Russian government receive the same scrutiny as any other capitalist government?

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    Did you know the USA and Israel are siding with Al-Qaïda in Syria? Not just as a pragmatic reaction to them winning, I mean from the start. The western media reports on it, but without all that much spin manages to rehabilitate them even after spending years hyping them up as their primary adversary.

    The Nazi elements in the Ukrainian military and leadership is similar. You’ll hear lots about Nazis in Ukraine from western media in the future, when they need to justify why they abandoned their economic commitments after the war.

    I don’t know about Starmer, but Johnson called them heroes. Here’s a photo of him holding up a Azov flag with a wolfsangel on it. The men next to him are POWs that were released by Russia. One of them is currently working for the IDF.

    Boris Johnson posing with members of Azov

    But it’s not limited to Azov. There are other Nazi-exclusive army sections. For example 67th Mechanized Brigade is staffed by former Right Sector militias. These were Nazis who were waging racial war without the government’s (explicit) consent using artillery and besieging ethnic-Russia-majority cities. Extremely high-profile terrorists. But all is forgiven as their experience is needed. They received tank-training in the UK.

    The Nazi rehabilitation is very advanced in Ukraine. Normal everyday people who aren’t super political or “online” view Stephan Bandera as a heroic figure, or at least as someone who’s okay for the government to celebrate.

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      I didn’t know about Syria, but it doesn’t surprise me. It’s not the first time the US or UK armed al Qaeda!

      In fact there are a lot of similarities between the US and UK arming the Afghan Mujahedeen and these Ukrainian paramilitary groups. After the Ukraine war is over, I wonder what these armed and trained Nazis will do…

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        On Syria: there was a famous email exchange leaked by Wikileaks in which a US state department official and later Biden regime national security advisor tells Hillary Clinton verbatim “Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria”.

        After the Ukraine war is over, I wonder what these armed and trained Nazis will do…

        So do we. Many people have been pointing this out since the conflict escalated in 2022 when the West began supporting these groups wholesale.

        What happens when you have tens of thousands of well armed, radicalized extremists with extensive military experience, who have severe PTSD and are used to killing without remorse, and who will be searching for someone to blame for their defeat? Who will they point to as having “betrayed” them and robbed them of their victory, in a similar way to what the German WWI veterans did who formed the first fascist and Nazi paramilitary organizations?

        Many of them also have drone warfare experience and drones are extremely easy to smuggle across borders and very hard to detect and shoot down at short notice. Where will they go and who will they target for mass casualty terrorist attacks? Russia has learned how to take appropriate precautions for the most part. Also these people will be wanted as war criminals by Russia so they will have a hard time getting in. Europe on the other hand is already welcoming many of these people with open arms…