cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/36033796
Amid the ongoing shutdown, the HHS secretary wiped out entire offices that investigate disease outbreaks, manage infectious disease responses and collect data.
Even if the US somehow manages to have another election and elect a sane president, it will be an almost impossible task to undo all the damage the Trump regime did.
I believe that is the point of all of this
They literally laid it all out in Project 2025. There are some nuances to how it’s unfolding but this is what they wanted.
Exactly. I don’t know why anybody is surprised about this shit. They literally wrote down what they’d do once they came back into power. Project 2025 is their Mein Kampf.
Yeah I think this is the headline that finally did it for me. Hurting Democrats isn’t enough, hurting minorities isn’t enough. They want the country to no longer exist. They want a smouldering pile of rubble left, literally preferably, but they’ll accept metaphorical if that’s all they can get. The point of this administration is to destroy America and kill as many citizens in the process as humanly possible.
No matter how bad it’s seemed I swear fucking God the next day it’s proven worse than that. At no point was it possible to accurately assess how royally fucked we are or how evil these Nazis are. And you’ll have Republicans defending all this shit even if they personally are being sent to the gulag. They’d say we’re overreacting even as they themselves are having the executioner’s hood forced over their heads. I don’t understand how it would be possible to use the power of government in more evil ways.
It’s accelerationism. You burn it down so you can rebuild it how you want. Once all is rubble they’ll say “You see? Democracy was just a pie in the sky experiment that was destined to fail. Now let’s go back to monarchy.”
Remember who burned it down, and never forget, No Fucking Kings. Not now, not ever.
I would agree, but I actually see it more as sadistic and wanting people to suffer. They could literally destroy the government entirely without so much suffering as is currently being set into motion. But that wouldn’t get their rocks off.
Just look at the life of Steven Miller as documented in the book, Hatemonger, and you’ll get an idea of just one example of exactly who we’re dealing with here. These people are monsters.
You can look into the history of any one of these grifters, racists, antisemites, transphobes, homophobes, fascists, and it becomes very apparent that they hate everything and everyone around them, and in some cases even hate themselves. Heck, ICE is nothing but a cadre of misanthropic hatemongers all worked up into a frenzy probably due to an excess consumption of various legal/illegal stimulants along with Matt Walsh, Tucker Carlson, etc. being pumped into their eyes and ears all day and night.
If you think monsters would simply murder without doing the more than occasional bit of torture, then I’d simply invite you to think again.
Thanks for that book recc. I mean I agree. They want suffering more than anything else, that’s just obvious to me.
No gods, no masters.
I don’t think it’s quite that Captain Planet.
The ruling elite in the US are all several generations down the line of nepotism. None of them have ever had to experience consequences, nor learn a lesson, they are just stupid rich people who think they’re rich on their own merits.
There are a few very rich very evil people who are playing them like puppets though and they’re too stupid to notice.
Oh, wait that is pretty Captain Planet.
I noticed nothing you said contradicts my assertion that they actively want people dead. Nothing about being rich means you need to go out of your way to mass murder. I don’t even see how they could profit from this decision
nothing you said contradicts my assertion
Technically correct! The best kind of correct.
They want the country to no longer exist. They want a smouldering pile of rubble left, literally preferably, but they’ll accept metaphorical if that’s all they can get. The point of this administration is to destroy America and kill as many citizens in the process as humanly possible.
Nah, that would at least be a good thing for the rest of the world. What they want is for a few rich white guys to rule over the entire world (including US itself) with an iron fist. They would still need the MIC, military and stuff for that to happen. It’s going to be grim for all americans not in those industries though, for sure.
Way to slide in the America hate, divorced of all reason. The United States, like many other countries, is a vital part of global economics and nuking it from orbit is a bad thing for others as well. You’d think at this point in history people wouldn’t be so stupid to think in such myopic and isolationist ways, but there’s never a limit on stupidity, I’m reminded every day
God you people are a literal joke.
“America hate” 🤡🤡🤡🤡
On the post sharing a report card describing just how absolutely incompetent our country is to prevent these people from disassembling all modern disease infrastructure.
Millions will die because of these choices and that will not be limited to america. Hundreds of thousands are already dead or dying from the previous cuts to the cdc and international aid programs.
Fuck the United states. Its always been a shit country full of racists and nazis. Now they’ve got total control and you STILL want to jump in the way of any criticism.
You are defending fascists you fucking moron.
Go get a job with DHS hunting “tankies” and sending them to the concentration camps. Join the fascists in rooting out “antifa” since that is apparently the most consequential battle of our time and you have fully submitted to that framing. Blue maga trash.
Defend your country from the radical left, protect the fascists from criticism, and ensure america remains a political tool to oppress all nations with its military and ideological war. Keep defending this shit country while inequality grows and real people’s problems only get worse.
You are no better than the Nazis cheering this on. There really is no limit on stupidity, and you’re putting that on full display.
Wake the fuck up.
Gonna guess you were not valedictorian.
a vital part of global economics
… because they violently overthrow any government that tries to dedollarize. This is the only reason US is still part of global economics.
nuking it from orbit is a bad thing for others as well
Will there be an economic downturn? Sure, for a bit, while countries adjust. But there will also be much less war and genocide, which is worth it on its own, and by now the US doesn’t have any real industrial sector apart from weapons manufacturing so supply chains won’t be affected much (with very few exceptions, like airplanes).
Of course a revolution in the US would be better, but I don’t see that happening for a while. TBH neither do I see america truly being destroyed by Trump, he seems to have something worse in mind as I’ve said.
Yes you’re right, the huge amount of exports and technology from America is actually of no consequence. Why don’t you figure out a way to nuke us personally. Goddamn I hate tankie bigots.
They sold all their nukes for vodka and now all they have to fight with is disinformation. It’s a shame they all exist on here. This app and these dialogues are non-consequential to anyone. I don’t know why they’re full of tanky propaganda. The far left and right just loves to hate monger. Everything has to be black and white or else. In group out group no nuance.
That is precisely the reason for the existential dread this has brought to my life as I ponder what kind of world will be left to my kids when I die.
I can’t even rest assured that people in power after Trump will not be Trumpists, and even if I could be assured of that, I’m not at all sure we’re going to get all this shit fixed before whatever the next catastrophe is.
I expect to die of old age in a world where we have not yet returned to at least as good as where things were when Trump took over. (and there was already a lot of fucked up shit then.)
And as someone who has spent nearly six decades rooting for humanity in most ways, I’m pretty fucking disappointed that we dropped the ball this hard on this one.
With a bit of luck, they can use this to regrow it better. it’ll still be a gigantic task.
I really think revolutionaries massively underestimate how much of society is built on well functioning and enduring institutions, and how much more difficult it is to build them from scratch compared to reforming them (in many, but not all cases).
That being said, the US is a basket case, so perhaps a revolution might be worth it.
Still sceptical, though.
(This is my biggest disagreement with some other socialists I’ve met where I live, which is not the US)
Not in my lifetime. I do hope leaders emerge who can harness the modern levers to our brains in a constructive way, but even if that started next year at the midterms, the decades of work ahead just to get back to the institutional knowledge and regulatory protections that existed last year exceed my life expectancy. The hope is that happens so my nieces and nephews will benefit.
Remember a couple of minutes ago when the world shut down because we were woefully unprepared for a pandemic?
This is a smart money saving measure, theres no way a pandemic can happen twice.
You kidding? The Trump regime was rooting for the virus initially because it was killing “liberals”. Then they realized it was killing more of their supporters.
Don’t be mistaken - this is meant to kill people. This is an attack on every man, woman, and child in the US.
Considering the US is the highest polluter per capita in the world (by a country mile), this just sounds like a good thing. Now we just need nature to take its course.
To be brutally honest, I’m sure there is a lab somewhere cooking up a new virus that will be even harder to fight off.
Once the CDC guardrails are completely gone, said virus is ‘accidentally’ released, killing off countless people who are unable to defend against it.“We get rid of the sick, old, poor, infirm, or anyone else we don’t want hanging around, that means more money for us!”
Based on vibes.
RFK is on track to have one of the highest kill counts for a powerful US figure in the first quarter of the 21st century. That is an intimidating sentence and yet it seems to be undeniably true, I don’t see how we can swerve from the path of mass amounts of unnecessary death in the US from disease. Shame on us.
Not just in the United States. The Lancet estimates just cancelling USAID will kill 14 million people between now and 2030. 14 million avoidable deaths because the world’s richest man thought feeding the poor was a waste.
RFK is on track to do a lot of damage, but he has some stiff competition.
RFK is on track to do a lot of damage, but he has some stiff competition.
Yes but RFK genuinely terrifies me more than the competition, he is a super-critical confluence of stupidity, confidence and undisguised fascism.
I am ADHD, RFK is intent on killing people like me off through his policy, that isn’t an exaggeration and he is likely to succeed by the look of things. The centrist position in the US is that people like me have had it coming, sooooo…
And they will still blame communism somehow
My country is being destroyed right in front of me. What a time to be alive!
I’m just sitting waiting for it to either kill me or fail trying. And all I can do in the meantime is try to live life pretending like it’s not on a time limit
Another reason not to visit the US. They can’t prevent disease and aren’t even trying. All they want is your money.
Are you kidding? I want your heathcare.
I really love all these accounts attempting to sow division and hate against the United States, when it’s just one specific political group who everyone should be uniting against, FASCISM.
Meanwhile, go ahead and read that article about how the European Union has had 32,264 cases of the measles, and only 4 EU countries have the recommended two dose coverage for the vaccination, and then come back and talk to us about disease prevention.
Edit: hi Alaknard, you America-hatin’ Lil busy bee
you see, europe at least is keeping track ;)
Yeah but the yanks voted FOR the convicted felon insurrectionist rapist. That deserves SOME ire from the Commonwealth.
They have since admitted it was a mistake and then rehired all the white ones.
I hate that I can’t tell if this is satire.
It’s 30% satire. Some of the white ones were terrible Lefties that have been to a college and so they didn’t re-hire ALL of them.
it must be because in the case of RFK Jr he wouldn’t really care about race; he’d just want anyone with proper medical education gone so he wouldn’t have to hear the phrase “that’s the biggest crock of shit I’ve heard” every day.
Unleash COVID-25.
AKA Measels
I did not know the structure of measles until you made me look it up.
“This administration only knows how to break things. They have made America at risk for outbreaks and attacks by nefarious players. People should be scared.”
No, they should be mad. Mad as hell that this government is dismantling all the safe-guards that keep them safe.
This is a really good point.
Republicans sell to their base that they need to always be on edge, scared of a threat that doesnt really exist so they think they are good at defending themselves and their families from threats.
But this is inviting real ones. Legitimate threats and dangers to our lives that they will not be prepared to defend against the same way they can against a young person wearing clothes they think dont match their gender stereotype.They will view this as a positive that their protections are being taken away for them to have to protect themselves and it will kill people who thank the abusers for the privilege.
Every virus and bacteria loved that
Well, that’s one way to stochastically get rid of excess population now seen as surplus to requirements, I guess.
Any former employees of the CDC might be interested to know that the EU has been beefing up epidemic response and is hiring. Assuming you’ll be allowed to leave the country, of course.
That msn link just takes me to the msn homepage.
Sorry, I don’t know what to tell you. I thought I’d made a mistake with the direct link and just tried it myself, but it works as expected for me.
In any case, for the benefit of you and anybody else having similar issues: it’s a link to an article about the recent issue of Rutgers professor Mark Bray apparently being prevented from leaving the US for Spain. You won’t have trouble finding coverage of it elsewhere if you’re unaware of it and wish to know more.
The link works fine for me. Might be some kind of geo-blocking issue.
Here’s an Archive link to the article.
Thank you
I have seen this happen with MSN in the past, and yes, it is an issue like that on MSN’s end.
Yeah I’ve seen it a few times. Assumed it was a weird mobile bug or something
I’m in the US and it doesn’t work for me.
Just for added context, that Rutgers professor was stopped. Rebooked their flight for the next day and still safely left the country so yeah. Still 100% fuck this regime, but most of us can’t move, family, finances, job, or lack of skill to immigrate to another country. It sounds so easy, but to literally leave your entire fucking life behind and started all over again from zero in a foreign country with no friends no family, no community, and probably not even knowing the language of the country all that well that’s like a huge turtle and I think most people have no real choice in the matter but to just stick it out regardless of what happens.
9% of the remaining staff.
Another 4,000 government employees were fired across other vital programs.We are still leas than a year into this 4 years presidency.
There isnt just gonna be a fixing this. The US is going to have to take decades to rebuild itself from scratch whenever this fascist agenda ends.
wheneverif this fascist agenda ends.That’s one of the few silver linings of fascism, it always ends. It’s inherently unstable.
But it’ll kill me first so I’d really prefer to just stop it now by any means necessary, including the things I’m not allowed to say
It’s never had modern resources before
Neither did the people fighting fascism.
Unfortunately there’s not really a good historical example of fascism being stopped once they have the power of the pulpit without the help of foreign intervention.
Good news is that there’s Putin, who fight in the Ukraine against their fascist regime, I’m sure he would love to annex US too. /s
Sad that the /s is absolutely required now a days .
I’ve heard that before but I only have an american public education. If I actually looked for historical examples, I wonder what I would find?
I mean, it’s a bit difficult to look for historical examples of something not happening. However the opposite is fairly easy, off the top of my head the most well known examples of fascist governments being brought down are the Nazi, Vichy France, imperial Japan, and Mussolini’s Italy.
The entirety of ww2, Spain transitioned out of fascism relatively peacefully too
Nuclear weapons have the same silver lining! What a coincidence!
All things end.
Now the timeline and the explosiveness of its ending are to be determined.
4 years presidency.
So that’s not inherently guaranteed. The constitution can be amended - hell, term limits themselves come from an amendment, not the original text. I believe there’s at least one supreme court justice who doesn’t even believe in amendments - if it wasn’t in the original text of the constitution, it doesn’t count.
Luckily POTUS himself can’t legally suspend or delay elections. But I’m pretty sure a sympathetic congress can.
We can rebuild it, we have the technology, >!we just don’t want to spend a lot of money!<
Many, many people are going to die because of this.
I always thought 5% (1/20) of the USA population would not survive this administration.
But not from violence: instead they will die, without headlines, from lack of medicine for simple things like high blood pressure and diabetes; not screening cancers; complications from malnutrition; infectious diseases; and combinations of these.
Average life expectancy will plummet further compared to the rest of the modern educated world …
Not if we stop tracking it 🤠
Oh so it was a kickback for the insurance companies
And not just in the United States.
god works in mysterious ways
And they voted for it. America is very difficult to underestimate.
And you’ll be ok with it.
The USA is simultaneously broadcasting to militaries around the world that America is going to ignore the Geneva convention/greenlight warcrimes, and they’re dismantling the infrastructure that would’ve been used to defend themselves against biological weapons.
What does the Geneva convention say about war crimes committed against a nation that also commits war crimes?
Article 7, Section 2: “I’m rubber and you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you”.
They get recorded as being super polite citizenry.
Source: check out Canada’s and Poland’s public record.
It doesn’t
This would be the perfect time to release a last of us fungus or zombie virus stockpiles
Or bovine ebola, to devastate the USA’s beef supply. I imagine that an America that suddenly has no burgers would sober up fairly quick. The massive super farms / agriculture concentration areas make it an easy target.
No burgers?! But how will they measure things?
In decifootballfields.
I remember the time when every weekend there was good news like NASA launching a new space station component on the space shuttle. They did have bad news like the shuttle blowing up and the NASDAQ dropping 10 points on the same day. But usually news had puppies being adopted and new vaccines or a new animal discovered.
Now its all about what I can’t do anymore starting this week. Like bikes are not allowed anymore. Or you can’t kiss in public or below the chin. Can’t wear colored shirts or shorts but pants may still be blue. If you’re lucky you could be illegal this week too!
As a kid I remember Tom Brokaw droning on about the collapsed soviet union and eventually Kuwait but all that bad news was offshore, domestic news was all about how great 3Q was going to be and how the malls and airports would be swamped for Christmas, great movies in theaters, optimism. I had no idea it was the last time I’d experience it.
this feels like the USSR breakup. EVERY STATE FOR THEMSELVES
When I suggested the US balkanize I was hoping it’d be the States idea, not that the Fed would just literally crumble in front of our eyes.
The fall of America was pretty much guaranteed because the south and Russia never stopped fighting.
The fall of america was guaranteed when they made the choice to remain an imperial state.
Like butter over too much bread, the US has spread itself so far, so thin, as to dilute its identity and contain too many, too different ideas.
The interconnectedness of the modern World was always going to result in the downfall of the US as a single entity. California is effected by Florida’s decisions because that’s how this country works. But now they can Fight online about it. Tensions rise. The powder keg will blow.
Edit: spllng
Like butter over too much bread, the US has spread itself so far, so thin, as to dilute its identity and contain too many, too different ideas.
This sounds DANGEROUSLY close to immigrants bad. And, like, do you want to leave the tyrannies of the world unanswered. I’d certianly prefer the hegemony of 2015 America over any modern Auth hellscape
No no no that’s not what I meant. I ABSOLUTELY see what you mean though.
I was more speaking on the idea that people with similar ideas tend to congregate, but when you’ve got such different places as Florida and California for example, there is bound to be significant infighting. That’s like the UK sharing a tent with Iraq. They’re separated by like 2500 miles, these are people’s with different priorities, different lifestyles, different cultures. Its not to say they can’t get along, but it should be under a federation more similar to the EU, a coalition of independent smaller Nations. NOT directly under the same national flag, and forced to be under the same code of laws.
Like, I get that this is skating the line of being xenophobic, but my intention isn’t to prevent people from coming into a space, it is to prevent the space from expanding to contain people who don’t want to be in it.
Edit: my distance was wrong, its still the same frlm place to place though
Different cultures? Hardly, the only reason there so much fighting is because the southern strategy was so effective they took it nation wide. Its intentional. Its not hard to get all of us to sing along we all loved James Dean for 50 years before this and it wasn’t an issue. The only thing that was promised is when the rich have more power than entire countries they will use that to solidify their rule. America is a testing grouns for hostile corporate take over of a nation.
I’d argue that the US definitely has and had different cultures throughout it, hell the 13 colonies all had different cultures from eachother. The only reason it seemed like there was ever a unified culture is because WW1, the Great depression/dust bowl, and WW2 caused lots of folks to move about and amalgamate culturally. Note I ain’t talking about the cultural melting pot but moreso it’s nutrient paste cousin where everything is homogeneous to the point of having no flavor, the type of culture that lots of suburbanites have that you can find in SoCal as easily as you can find it in Massachusetts.
Yeah I’ve been thinking this for awhile. The US isn’t all that dissimilar to the Soviet Union was just before it collapsed. When people start thinking their ideology will magically solve a nation’s problems instead of having skilled people working on those problems, that’s not a country that can function for very long.
You never know, the US could turn things around. But right now it seems to be running on fumes. There’s still people working in government in agencies that were formed when the government was run by somewhat competent people, so they’re keeping the lights on. But if these ideological purges (not to mention general malaise) continue, there won’t be enough to keep the lights on.
